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  • January 16, 2021 at 10:18 AM
  • Marielena
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    • February 10, 2023 at 2:36 PM
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    Kolega jasko,

    kako vam se čini graf BDI-a? Mislite da idemo gore?

  • jasko
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    • February 10, 2023 at 2:50 PM
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    Od idućeg tjedna idemo UP............. ;)                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

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    Edited once, last by jasko: Merged a post created by jasko into this post. (February 10, 2023 at 2:52 PM).

  • looserst
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    • February 10, 2023 at 8:32 PM
    • #9,603

    Malo weekend stiva od dnord-a, iz prezentacije:

    https://t.co/1rLcfDKxd4

    Highlits su:

    MARKET OUTLOOK IN DRY CARGO

    2023 expected to be weaker than 2022

    • Main weakness during H1 2023, H2 probably stronger

    • Macro economic slowdown limiting growth in commodity volumes

    • No longer support from congestion and container spillover

    • Coal demand offering less additional support – distance remains high

    • Chinese reopening may lead to growth in H2, but property sector will

    take time to recover


    MARKET OUTLOOK IN TANKER

    Strong base case

    • Market expected to remain strong and volatile in 2023

    • Sanctions leading to longer trading routes and more ballasting

    • Oil demand remains relatively strong

    • Support from China reopening and increased levels of air travelling

    • High risks due to political uncertainty and weaker economic outlook

    A da se vidi o kakvim znalicima se radi:

    • Best results in NORDEN’s history - demonstrating value of business model

    • Large shift in exposure benefitting portfolio value, trading results and future earnings

    - Increase in BU NAV, reaching USD +2 billion, equal to DKK 422 per share

    • Well positioned to capture dry cargo value in weakening market

    - Selling dry cargo vessels at peak assets prices, and fully covered for 2023

    - Short position during H2, benefitting from falling freight rates

    • Benefitting from increased exposure towards surging tanker market

    - Ensuring capacity ahead of time with added optionality

    - High tanker exposure benefitting earnings, generating value moving into 2023

    • Final dividend of DKK 30 per share; new share buy-back of USD 50 million

    • Expecting high profit for 2023 between USD 330-430 million


    E da nasi nesto nauce od ovakvih X/

  • st-brajo
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    • February 10, 2023 at 8:37 PM
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    Quote from looserst

    Malo weekend stiva od dnord-a, iz prezentacije:

    https://t.co/1rLcfDKxd4

    Highlits su:

    MARKET OUTLOOK IN DRY CARGO

    2023 expected to be weaker than 2022

    • Main weakness during H1 2023, H2 probably stronger

    • Macro economic slowdown limiting growth in commodity volumes

    • No longer support from congestion and container spillover

    • Coal demand offering less additional support – distance remains high

    • Chinese reopening may lead to growth in H2, but property sector will

    take time to recover


    MARKET OUTLOOK IN TANKER

    Strong base case

    • Market expected to remain strong and volatile in 2023

    • Sanctions leading to longer trading routes and more ballasting

    • Oil demand remains relatively strong

    • Support from China reopening and increased levels of air travelling

    • High risks due to political uncertainty and weaker economic outlook

    A da se vidi o kakvim znalicima se radi:

    • Best results in NORDEN’s history - demonstrating value of business model

    • Large shift in exposure benefitting portfolio value, trading results and future earnings

    - Increase in BU NAV, reaching USD +2 billion, equal to DKK 422 per share

    • Well positioned to capture dry cargo value in weakening market

    - Selling dry cargo vessels at peak assets prices, and fully covered for 2023

    - Short position during H2, benefitting from falling freight rates

    • Benefitting from increased exposure towards surging tanker market

    - Ensuring capacity ahead of time with added optionality

    - High tanker exposure benefitting earnings, generating value moving into 2023

    • Final dividend of DKK 30 per share; new share buy-back of USD 50 million

    • Expecting high profit for 2023 between USD 330-430 million


    E da nasi nesto nauce od ovakvih X/

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    na koga misliš, na forumaše ili na uprave? :S

    ''Dođu, tako, vremena, kada pamet zašuti, budala progovori, a fukara se obogati!'' - Ivo Andrić

    "Ako uvedemo porez na vlastitu imovinu, stranci će je prestati kupovati" - Krešimir "Superhik" Macan

  • looserst
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    • February 10, 2023 at 8:53 PM
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    Quote from st-brajo
    Quote from looserst

    Malo weekend stiva od dnord-a, iz prezentacije:

    https://t.co/1rLcfDKxd4

    Highlits su:

    MARKET OUTLOOK IN DRY CARGO

    2023 expected to be weaker than 2022

    • Main weakness during H1 2023, H2 probably stronger

    • Macro economic slowdown limiting growth in commodity volumes

    • No longer support from congestion and container spillover

    • Coal demand offering less additional support – distance remains high

    • Chinese reopening may lead to growth in H2, but property sector will

    take time to recover


    MARKET OUTLOOK IN TANKER

    Strong base case

    • Market expected to remain strong and volatile in 2023

    • Sanctions leading to longer trading routes and more ballasting

    • Oil demand remains relatively strong

    • Support from China reopening and increased levels of air travelling

    • High risks due to political uncertainty and weaker economic outlook

    A da se vidi o kakvim znalicima se radi:

    • Best results in NORDEN’s history - demonstrating value of business model

    • Large shift in exposure benefitting portfolio value, trading results and future earnings

    - Increase in BU NAV, reaching USD +2 billion, equal to DKK 422 per share

    • Well positioned to capture dry cargo value in weakening market

    - Selling dry cargo vessels at peak assets prices, and fully covered for 2023

    - Short position during H2, benefitting from falling freight rates

    • Benefitting from increased exposure towards surging tanker market

    - Ensuring capacity ahead of time with added optionality

    - High tanker exposure benefitting earnings, generating value moving into 2023

    • Final dividend of DKK 30 per share; new share buy-back of USD 50 million

    • Expecting high profit for 2023 between USD 330-430 million


    E da nasi nesto nauce od ovakvih X/

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    na koga misliš, na forumaše ili na uprave? :S

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    Na uprave nasih plovilica sam mislio. Forumasi ionako sve najbolje znaju. Daj dividende i bajbekove, naruci gvozdje a za vozarine, hedge i ostalo...koga briga 8)

  • Vergilije
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    • February 10, 2023 at 9:37 PM
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    Forumaši bi plakali od sreće kad bi naše uprave samo kopirale ove dečke. Kakvi rezultati brrr :)

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    2+2=4

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    • February 10, 2023 at 10:02 PM
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    Oni zarađuju na upravljanju rizicima. Kad procjene da su vozarine precijenjene zakupe long pozicije na terete i short na brodove. I obrnuto. U stalnom vlasništvu imaju malo brodova. Dugo već to rade i prošla godine im je bila iznimna. Samo da bi radio tako nešto moraš imati veliki keš na raspolaganju koji ti osigurava manevarski prostor. Ali znali su i oni promašiti ranijih godina. Jer neki događaji koji na kraju imaju ključni utjecaj su nepredvidivi. Npr. pojava korone je bila nepredvidiva. Ali zato su kasniji utjecaji pandemije na tržište i njeno usporavanje bili predvidivi. I oni su to iskoristili.

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    • February 11, 2023 at 11:11 AM
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    tankeri su totalno ludilo. najnoviji podatci kažu da je netko kupio preko 100 tankera a da se nikad time nije bavio. to se pripisuje ruskoj crnoj floti tankera red veličina 360 komada ili ti 16% svjetske tankerske flote. i sad dolazimo do situacije da je barel u usti luga cca 46$ ali prevoz do konačne luke još 20-25$ po barelu. lloyd neće osigurati, ima tko hoće. ako se pokvari šlepat ćemo ga ako ga napadnu branit ćemo ga. jedina mana tih tankera je da su stari i spori ali dolazimo do one situacije koja se zove kontrola tokova. naftovod ima svoje polazišta i odredište, a tanker kad krene niko ne zna gdje će završiti osim vlasnika robe. kad imaš kontrolu nad robom i tokovima ti si hadžija, ovi drugi mogu polako početi brisati prašinu sa zlatnih poluga u trezoru. naravno i poljube ih na rastanku.

    Moglo bi tamo sve jos porasti ako Ameri krenu hapsiti ilegalne tankere po oceanima. To bi bila prava stvar, i za vozarine, a i geopoliticki, pogadjate naravno da ne favoriziram Rusiju u ovom ratu.

    Bolje je jeftino kupovati nego jeftino prodavati.

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    • February 11, 2023 at 11:59 AM
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    Quote from verdi

    tankeri su totalno ludilo. najnoviji podatci kažu da je netko kupio preko 100 tankera a da se nikad time nije bavio. to se pripisuje ruskoj crnoj floti tankera red veličina 360 komada ili ti 16% svjetske tankerske flote. i sad dolazimo do situacije da je barel u usti luga cca 46$ ali prevoz do konačne luke još 20-25$ po barelu. lloyd neće osigurati, ima tko hoće. ako se pokvari šlepat ćemo ga ako ga napadnu branit ćemo ga. jedina mana tih tankera je da su stari i spori ali dolazimo do one situacije koja se zove kontrola tokova. naftovod ima svoje polazišta i odredište, a tanker kad krene niko ne zna gdje će završiti osim vlasnika robe. kad imaš kontrolu nad robom i tokovima ti si hadžija, ovi drugi mogu polako početi brisati prašinu sa zlatnih poluga u trezoru. naravno i poljube ih na rastanku.

    Moglo bi tamo sve jos porasti ako Ameri krenu hapsiti ilegalne tankere po oceanima. To bi bila prava stvar, i za vozarine, a i geopoliticki, pogadjate naravno da ne favoriziram Rusiju u ovom ratu.

    a ko su ameri da oni bilo koga hapse u međunarodnim vodama? ta priča je gotova. jedino da zajedno sa rusima u dogovoru dižu tenzije i cijene. ta sila je imaginarna i postoji samo u zapadnim medijima. batina ima dva kraja. sve do sad govori da oni surađuju.

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    • February 11, 2023 at 12:48 PM
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    Quote from verdi
    Quote from 5. Element

    Moglo bi tamo sve jos porasti ako Ameri krenu hapsiti ilegalne tankere po oceanima. To bi bila prava stvar, i za vozarine, a i geopoliticki, pogadjate naravno da ne favoriziram Rusiju u ovom ratu.

    a ko su ameri da oni bilo koga hapse u međunarodnim vodama? ta priča je gotova. jedino da zajedno sa rusima u dogovoru dižu tenzije i cijene. ta sila je imaginarna i postoji samo u zapadnim medijima. batina ima dva kraja. sve do sad govori da oni surađuju.

    Amerika imaginarna sila? Suradjuje s Rusijom? Ne moze uhapsiti nekoliko desetaka tankera? S najvecom mornaricom na svijetu rasporedjenom po svim svjetskim oceanima i potpunim nadzorom svakog cm2 Zemlje? Ajme majko...

    U kojem paralelnom svemiru vi zivite, kolega? Cudo...

    No dobro, svatko ima pravo na misljenje.

    Bolje je jeftino kupovati nego jeftino prodavati.

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    • February 11, 2023 at 1:28 PM
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    zbog čega bi oni hapsili bilo koga? međunarodne vode. šta je ta hebena amerika? hrpa bolesnika sa raketama koje ima još par ekipa. nije jack sparrow jedan jedini. imaš svoje teritorijalne vode ako ti nešto ne paše u međunarodnim naguli kući. normalno da surađuju sa rusima. tri mjeseca je navodno mina bila pod sjevernim tokom ?! ko za kuac rusi to nisu primjetili ?! tamo nikad njihov podvodni dron ne prođe !? senzori ne rade ?! rusija je najjača podmornička sila na svijetu. barem deceniju ispred druge (amerike) ovi drugi i ne postoje. ti to ako ne možeš shvatiti to je samo znak tvog površnog obrazovanja. završio sam diskusiju.

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    • February 11, 2023 at 1:40 PM
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    rusija je najjača podmornička sila na svijetu.

    a najglavnija podmornica im je odnedavno brod MOSKVA :D

    s nje nadgledaju kompletan podmornicki promet u crnom moru :D

    Nadmudrivanje sa budalom je kao hrvanje sa svinjom u blatu ..... nakon nekog vremena skužiš da svinja uživa.

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    • February 11, 2023 at 1:52 PM
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    Rusija je sila samo u bolesnim glavama pojedinaca. Vjerujem da je barem 3/4 Rusa, naročito mlađa populacija proevropski orijentirana i željeli bi majčicu Rusiju koja je ekonomski, socijalno i demokratski u rangu zemalja EU. Ovakvu nasilnu Rusiju, s bolesnicima na vrhu koji imaju moć vjerojatno ne podržava ni 10 milijuna Rusa. Ne znam kojim i kakvim to spodobama ovakva Rusija može biti bilo kakav uzor ili ne daj Bože, obećana zemlja.

    Nešto mi govori da ćemo danas UP! :thumbup:

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    • February 11, 2023 at 2:12 PM
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    Quote from emil
    Quote from verdi

    rusija je najjača podmornička sila na svijetu.

    a najglavnija podmornica im je odnedavno brod MOSKVA :D

    s nje nadgledaju kompletan podmornicki promet u crnom moru :D

    ova primjedba je na mjestu. to je sudbina sviju velikih plovnih objekata. najgori ruski poraz u ovom ratu. to je prepuno simbolike. glavni brod ti potope iz zahebancije !!! i sad iz ove perspektive probaj zamisliti neki sukob oko tajvana. u 2.svr. je potopljeno 26 nosača aviona. danas hipersonika totalno mijenja monroevu doktrinu. svi veliki plovni objekti su samo dobre mete.

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    • February 13, 2023 at 10:35 AM
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    U Kini dobro otvorili tjedan

    cape up 19.5%

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    • February 13, 2023 at 12:03 PM
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    BCI up 10%

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    • February 13, 2023 at 2:09 PM
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    BCI 5 T/C routes 180000 4432 399

    BPI 5 T/C routes 82500 7764 -15

    BSI 10 T/C routes 58328 6874 -35

    BHSI t 7 T/C routes 38200 7837 -7

    BDI INDEX 616 +14

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    • February 14, 2023 at 7:48 PM
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    In the second week of February, congestion reached a new high, having reached its last peak in week 52 of last year.

    • Capesize: The number of vessels is 154, 14 more than the previous week, and the trend of increase seems to be the highest this year.
    • Panamax: The number of congested vessels rose to 212, 10 more than the levels of week 1.
    • Supramax: The number of congested vessels increased to 273, which is 11% more than in week 2.
    • Handysize: The number of congested vessels increased to 158, 14 more than the previous week, with a tendency of further increase in the coming days.
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    • February 15, 2023 at 12:04 PM
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    capeovi i dalje u scrap modu

    cape -17%

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    • February 15, 2023 at 1:57 PM
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    Freight futures am update

    Capesize down ~2%
    Panamax up ~2%
    #shipping #drybulk $BDRY

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