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DRY BULK

  • migra
  • January 16, 2021 at 10:18 AM
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    • May 24, 2021 at 6:20 PM
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    Osjetan pad futuresa ali trgovanje vanka nije to popratilo.

    Zanimljivo je i to da cijelo ovo vrijeme korekcije BDI indexa brodovi koje ATPL ima na spotu rastu...pa tako i danas.

    BSI timecharter 10 T/C routes 58328 26712 219

    BHSI timecharter 7 T/C routes 38200 23761 55

    BDI INDEX 2881 +12

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    • May 24, 2021 at 6:25 PM
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    May 11, 2021 - Glyfada, Greece - Seanergy Maritime Holdings Corp. (the “Company” or “Seanergy”) (NASDAQ: SHIP) announced today that it has taken delivery of the 176,387 dwt Capesize bulk carrier, built in 2013 by Mitsui Engineering & Shipbuilding Co., Ltd. in Japan, which was renamed M/V Flagship (the “Vessel”). The Vessel was subsequently financed through a leasing agreement with Cargill International SA (“Cargill” or the “Charterer”). Pursuant to the agreement, the Company has chartered back the Vessel on a bareboat basis and subsequently entered into a five-year time charter (“T/C”) with Cargill at a rate which is linked to the Baltic Capesize Index (BCI).

    Financing Agreement


    The bareboat financing amount of the Vessel is $20.5 million at an implied interest rate of approximately 2% all-in, fixed for five years. The Company has the option to buy back the Vessel at any time during the whole five-year leasing period, at the end of which it has a purchase obligation of $10 million subject to certain adjustments based on the market price of the Vessel.

    Time Charter Agreement


    Under the terms of the T/C, the Vessel will earn an index-linked rate based on BCI, while the Company has the option to convert the daily hire from index-linked to fixed for a minimum period of three months to a maximum of 12 months based on the prevailing Capesize Freight Futures Agreements (“FFA”) curve. The index-linked rate will be 102% of the BCI minus $1,325 per day. The term of the T/C matches the term of the leasing transaction and has a duration of 60 months from the delivery of the Vessel to Cargill on May 10, 2021. https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar…4860_ex99-1.htm

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    Pametnom dosta. Standardni petogodišnji T/C. :-))

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    • May 24, 2021 at 6:28 PM
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    Ufffff... Bit ce tu svega...

    Bolje je jeftino kupovati nego jeftino prodavati.

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    • May 24, 2021 at 6:36 PM
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    Baltic Dry Index Rises 0.42% to 2,881
    Capesize +0.71% to $32,825
    Panamax -0.55% to $24,222
    Supramax 58k tons +0.83% to $26,712
    Handysize +0.25% to $21,795

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    • May 24, 2021 at 9:32 PM
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    Quote from bubimir

    po tehnici japanskih svijeća, koju koriste american bulls, preporuka je STAY LONG, ako se kupnja dogodila 19.5. na cijeni 9,55$

    istovremeno, klasična TA ovdje vrišti Buy ili Strong Buy... ajmo promatrat tko je ovdje vjerodostojan:

    https://www.investing.com/equities/knigh…s-ltd-technical

    može,izvadimo to nekad iz arhive pa ćemo rezimirati.


    Quote from KicanCRO

    Osjetan pad futuresa ali trgovanje vanka nije to popratilo.

    Da,ista pomisao.

    dry bulk je u toj fazi,sentiment je kakav se može samo poželjeti,tolika količina pozitivnih stvari je na obzoru da ga je jako teško gurnuti u crveno.

    za mene kategorija "neopisiva lakoća dioničarstva",investitorski san prije svega radi outlooka.

    može on biti isporučen koji mjesec prije ili kasnije ali tolika mu je izglednost da....

    p.s.

    naravno zse je druga priča ali i ona ima svojih nemalih prednosti samo....

    :saint:

    p.p.s.

    kinezi se žestoko naprežu a zalihe se tope,znaju oni,znamo mi,znaju svi ..

    da je to zaron na dah pa je jedan scenarij neusporedivo izgledniji;) :saint:


    On the demand side, Chinese #steel demand showed little sign of ebbing. Construction steel + #HRC inventories were both down 3.24% and 5.52% last week to 6.19 and 2.32 million tonnes, respectively - Steelbank. Rebar invent. data last week showed -6.28% last week

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    • May 24, 2021 at 10:29 PM
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    Weekly Report - Week 20

    https://dnfanalysis.com/CMS/imageFolder/1621874830.pdf

    ne pozivam na kupnju-prodaju,očekujem da me netko svojim razmišljanjima i argumentima potakne na novo razmišljanje.isprike na dužini posta,tipfelerima...

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    • May 24, 2021 at 10:45 PM
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    Dry Bulk Commodities and Asset Values Steely Resolve https://www.breakwaveadvisors.com/insights/2021/…-steely-resolve

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    • May 24, 2021 at 11:09 PM
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    Quote from jasko

    Dry Bulk Commodities and Asset Values Steely Resolve https://www.breakwaveadvisors.com/insights/2021/…-steely-resolve

    Znaci sve je vise zakljucaka sa vise strana da narucit novi bulk prije 2023-2024 je prakticki nemoguce mozemo onda sa sigurnoscu rec da je to sad vec cinjenica, mogle bi ove SH cijene brodova jos prilicno narast u takvom okruzenju


    "

    Nevertheless, the situation is posing significant headaches for the yards which are not able to hedge their steel cost successfully and, in any case, are being forced to temporize new marketing slots since they have no pressure to sign loss making business unless quote prices that are advancing to levels that really bite so as to cover the incorporated steel cost component of final price.

    Furthermore, container overordering and high margins enjoyed by yard in container, tanker and LNG segments make dry bulk available berths prior 2024 a forlorn hope for most Owners. Same trend seems to be exacerbated by recent news that liner company MSC is considering to convert some of its big containerships ordered into LNG dual-fuel, keeping more berths busy for longer time."

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    • May 24, 2021 at 11:09 PM
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    Quote from migra

    nedavno smo o tome kako kontejneri svojim ATH vozarinama višestruko blagonaklono djeluju na dry bulk a jedan od aspekata je i dizanje zaposlenosti i margina brodogradilišta,koja i sama najmanje žele graditi dry bulk,posebice dok kontejneri koji su i inače profitabilniji plaćaju i imaju dodatnog motiva za extra plaćati.

    posljedično SH je na dry bulku iznimno tražena roba,najtraženija od svih sektora.

    svakom novogradnjom manje,onom koja će se odgoditi,bonusi na bonuse će biti izdašniji ;)

    tu je i velika prednost SH koji se čeka neusporedivo kraće od NB a ta je škola plaćena u mlrd-ama$ u prošlom bullu pa je jedan scenarij bitno izgledniji.

    kako smo više puta ovdje naglasili marfi je nešto sa čime se ne šališ :/

    .....Furthermore, container overordering and high margins enjoyed by yard in container, tanker and LNG segments make dry bulk available berths prior 2024 a forlorn hope for most Owners....

    i dalje smo na početku pa je teško i predvidjeti koji je po marfiju najgori scenarij za kopnene mornare a koji najbolji za one na palubi?

    sloboda izbora je zakon,šta ne?

    :saint:


    p.s.

    covid će vrlo uskoro postati prošlost a tada na scenu stupaju neviđeni stimulusi od 2sv.rata pa možda za evetualno za razmotriti posljedice istog :/

    “US daily cases fell to 12,825 on Sunday .. the lowest figure since the pandemic started .. cases are retreating so rapidly, it could fall to sub-10,000 within next 10 days .. the US is on track to fully re-open by June 2021, or within next few weeks.”

    ne pozivam na kupnju-prodaju,očekujem da me netko svojim razmišljanjima i argumentima potakne na novo razmišljanje.isprike na dužini posta,tipfelerima...

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    • May 24, 2021 at 11:47 PM
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    a s druge strane, pogledaj ovo

    https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/NMM/key-statistics?p=NMM

    brodar s najboljom bilancom tone kao "mafijaški neprijatelj", doslovce "spava s ribama".

    meni to govori da trenutno su tržište napustili investitori, a preuzeli špekulanti.

    a svi znamo kako to onda završi.

    vrijeme je da se ove budaletine ostave dionica i krenu okretati burgere, a to neće sve dok ih neki "event" dobro ne izmete.

    onda na scenu nastupaju ljudi koji znaju šta rade + marfi :S

    ''Dođu, tako, vremena, kada pamet zašuti, budala progovori, a fukara se obogati!'' - Ivo Andrić

    "Ako uvedemo porez na vlastitu imovinu, stranci će je prestati kupovati" - Krešimir "Superhik" Macan

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    • May 25, 2021 at 12:23 AM
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    Quote from st-brajo

    a s druge strane, pogledaj ovo

    https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/NMM/key-statistics?p=NMM

    brodar s najboljom bilancom tone kao "mafijaški neprijatelj", doslovce "spava s ribama".

    meni to govori da trenutno su tržište napustili investitori, a preuzeli špekulanti.

    a svi znamo kako to onda završi.

    vrijeme je da se ove budaletine ostave dionica i krenu okretati burgere, a to neće sve dok ih neki "event" dobro ne izmete.

    onda na scenu nastupaju ljudi koji znaju šta rade + marfi :S

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    NMM pada radi ovoga:

    https://seekingalpha.com/news/3699454-n…sales-agreement

    Izgleda da kupuju nesto brodova, NM capeovi se suska :/ Pad je inace krenuo u petak u postmarketu

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    • May 25, 2021 at 12:39 AM
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    Quote from looserst
    Quote from st-brajo

    a s druge strane, pogledaj ovo

    https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/NMM/key-statistics?p=NMM

    brodar s najboljom bilancom tone kao "mafijaški neprijatelj", doslovce "spava s ribama".

    meni to govori da trenutno su tržište napustili investitori, a preuzeli špekulanti.

    a svi znamo kako to onda završi.

    vrijeme je da se ove budaletine ostave dionica i krenu okretati burgere, a to neće sve dok ih neki "event" dobro ne izmete.

    onda na scenu nastupaju ljudi koji znaju šta rade + marfi :S

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    NMM pada radi ovoga:

    https://seekingalpha.com/news/3699454-n…sales-agreement

    Izgleda da kupuju nesto brodova, NM capeovi se suska :/ Pad je inace krenuo u petak u postmarketu

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    Da zanimljiv komentar ispod kao da dizu equity po cijeni 50% nava

    “

    AF is capable of making both brilliant and completely idiotic moves.

    Brilliant stuff:

    -Creating NMCI in the first place and making it part of NMM

    -Some impressive financing moves.

    Completely idiotic stuff:

    -Issuing large chunks of equity at like 50% of NAV to buy assets at ~100% of NAV. Absolutely atrocious move. In this market there is no way she will be able to acquire assets at such a massive discount

    -When she talked about her generous 10% distribution completely ignoring the fact that it got that big, because she chased off nearly all but the most stubborn unit holders with her complete disregard for Corporate Governance and doing right by unit holders.

    AF is the most annoying and frustrating CEO in the world with the exception of the outright criminal ones. She should fired as CEO but retained as "creative fleet consultant" as I do acknowledge she has made some impressive moves.

    Despite this I'm still long and have stubbornly held onto my units for the past few years. Well in the green despite all AF's dealings - good and bad. If the container market was not at historic highs and NMM expected to make a killing for an extended period of time, I would have dumped my units as there is no way NMM will not trade at a huge Frangou discount - as it should.

    A CEO that issues equity at 50% of NAV to buy assets at market value so she can renew her fleet and keep earning mgmt. fees is in my book either a crook or a compulsive ship shopper in need of some serious counselling.

    I once scolded her for issuing units at 90% of NAV. Now she is doing it at 50%. This at a time when NMM is earning a killing and could do quite a bit of fleet renewal in the coming years without issuing a single unit below NAV.

    5 years of investing in shipping equities have taught me that Greeks in shipping are dangerous. Greek + ships = huge red flag. One can make good money but a bumpy and frustrating ride is guaranteed.

    “

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    • May 25, 2021 at 6:41 AM
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    Quote from looserst

    NMM pada radi ovoga:

    https://seekingalpha.com/news/3699454-n…sales-agreement

    Izgleda da kupuju nesto brodova, NM capeovi se suska :/ Pad je inace krenuo u petak u postmarketu

    pa naravno da pada, jer bolje naručiti brod koji ćeš dobit za 2-3 god., nego kupit od svoje druge firme.

    ali, šta nakon šta NMM pokupi sve brodove od ostalih sastavnica, a lova nastavi kapati?

    kad tad će onda trebati isplatiti finu divku, jer naša Anđelija neće imat više ništa drugo di može izvlačiti pare 🤷

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    • May 25, 2021 at 7:02 AM
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    Indicative Dry Bulk Values (US$ million)

    Supramax

    56k dwt 10 year old 16.50 15.00 10.0%

    52k dwt 15 year old 12.00 10.50 14.3%

    M/V ''SOLIN '', 51545 dwt, built 2012, dely Qingdao 19/23 May, $25,000,
    for about 4 months, to Sinewy Shipping

    https://www.hellenicshippingnews.com/wp-content/upl…_23_05_2021.pdf

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    • May 25, 2021 at 10:34 AM
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    Quote from st-brajo

    a s druge strane, pogledaj ovo

    https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/NMM/key-statistics?p=NMM

    brodar s najboljom bilancom tone kao "mafijaški neprijatelj", doslovce "spava s ribama".

    meni to govori da trenutno su tržište napustili investitori, a preuzeli špekulanti.

    a svi znamo kako to onda završi.

    vrijeme je da se ove budaletine ostave dionica i krenu okretati burgere, a to neće sve dok ih neki "event" dobro ne izmete.

    onda na scenu nastupaju ljudi koji znaju šta rade + marfi :S

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    sve je od drugih pojašnjeno,Da grci su takvi,ima ih više koji su skloni takvim vratolomijama,opsjednuti su rastom flote bez obzira na cijenu a posebice kad nanjuše bull market.

    s druge strane od dna je dionica rasla 500% pa pad od 10% i nije neka drama?

    problem je što bi to oni mogli ponoviti još koji puta na ovakav način.

    nemam NMM,ti si imao i ako se ne varam izašao?

    možda će se taj potez i pokazati kao dobar ali nerazumljiv(nepotreban) je toliki diskont.

    a gle nisu dio Joakimovog universa,možda ima neki razlog :/

    s druge strane njegova preporuka je najviše trpati gogl.

    divka i za ne baš sjajni 1Q =0,25$

    mene kopka šta možemo očekivati dalje :/ ;)

    kopkanje je lakše podnošljivo ako si na palubi

    sloboda izbora je zakon

    :saint:

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    • May 25, 2021 at 12:08 PM
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    https://www.braemarscreen.com

    Drugi dan za redom pad futuresa, ocito posljedica mudrovanja Kine.

    Platts 62% Iron Ore SPOT188.25 (change) -11.85

    https://www.tradewindsnews.com/bulkers/china-…eel/2-1-1014763


    India's April thermal coal imports jump 40% on year (26.31% on month) amid monsoon restocking. US imports more than double in April on year. Australian coal imports continue to gain steam.


    Baltic #Capesize index -5% to $31k/d
    Brazil/China -4% to $28k/d

    Jun FFA -7% to $33k/d
    Jul FFA -5% to $36k/d


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    China to strengthen commodity price controls in five-year plan

    biti će zanimljivo vidjeti kako i dali to baš tako funkcionira na svjetskom tržištu?mi bi niže cijene commoditiesa i zato ćemo ih spustiti?

    držim da neće to ići,tržište će i jedino samo ono može to riješiti povečanjem supplya.

    tu se želje ne ispunjavaju na zahtjev pa makar to bila kina.

    mislim može teoretski ako ove godine žele smanjiti gdp rast za 3-4%,ako žele usred ljeta biti bez struje za klime,frižidere...

    uvijek je moguće ali dali su spremni platiti tu cijenu :?:

    ne mogu spriječiti ostatak svijeta da proizvodi steel,da žele struju za klimu,frižider....

    oni upravo svojim spuštanjem zaliha unose želju za špekulacijom na svjetkom tržištu commoditiesa.

    opada im udio zaliha iron ore i coal u odnosu na potrošnju.

    da su mudri upravo bi suprotnim postupanjem spriječili želju za špekulativnom trgovinom,a ovako oni ju potiću.

    naučit će na teži način,njima skuplji,za dry bulk je bolje tako jer to dodatno podiže vozarine.

    trenutno se snažno suzdržaju od uvoza ali zalihe padaju iz dana u dan.

    napisao sam jučer,to je zaron na dah,to nebu išlo osim vrlo kratkoročno.

    ostatak svijeta se rješava covida i kina neće moći spriječiti ono što sljedi.

    da su bili mudri mogli su zalihe nakrcati prije drugih jer su bili u poziciji,nećemo ih žaliti imaju para na bacanje pa neka ih lože.


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    • May 25, 2021 at 12:57 PM
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    tiku taku nikad nitko nije pobijedio pa neće ni kinezi :saint:

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    • May 25, 2021 at 1:01 PM
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    Quote from migra

    tiku taku nikad nitko nije pobijedio pa neće ni kinezi :saint:

    Mora se priznat da im dobro ide zasada X/

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    • May 25, 2021 at 1:07 PM
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    Quote from looserst
    Quote from migra

    tiku taku nikad nitko nije pobijedio pa neće ni kinezi :saint:

    Mora se priznat da im dobro ide zasada X/

    DA ide ali uskoro će ostat bez zraka,tako je to u ronjenju na dah ;)

    a tako to ide i u marketiranju,neki se sile prodati a za koji dan će se siliti kupiti po skuplje od prodanog

    da vidimo ovaj puta dali će biti kao neki dan anualiziranih 700% (sa 330 na 380) ili možda još i bolje :/

    ono što mene zanima je rezime 02.01.2022 kada u paketu idu čestitka za novu godinu,rezime za 2021 i prognoza za 2022 :)

    :saint:

    p.s.

    da nebi bio "dosadan" taj rezime,možemo dadatno obraditi i ovih spomenutih 330-360 današnjih pa da vidimo što nosi trejdanje,što invstiranje a što neinvestiranje na "brdovitom balkanu",na ZSE kao marketu koji ne valja,koji je mrtav,koji ne pruža prilike,koji.....:S

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