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  • migra
  • January 16, 2021 at 10:18 AM
  • 5. Element
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    • June 19, 2021 at 10:32 AM
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    “China wants to cut steel production but control prices, and to reduce investment but maintain employment,” Tomas Gutierrez, an analyst at Kallanish Commodities told Reuters.

    Oni naprosto kao da ne razumiju osnovne trzisne mehanizme. Nemoguce je, ali potpuno nemoguce u isto vrijeme postizati suprotstavljene ciljeve. Smanjivati proizvodnju, a da cijena ne raste. Maksimalna glupost.

    Jedva cekam da im rudaca presisa 300 usd, a vozarine odu na 100k.

    Treba ih maksimalno oguliti.

    Bolje je jeftino kupovati nego jeftino prodavati.

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    • June 19, 2021 at 10:37 AM
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    Dobar clanak na temu kineskog pritezanja kreditiranja.

    China's Credit Impulse Just Turned Negative, Unleashing Global Deflationary Shockwave

    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/chinas…onary-shockwave

    The credit tsunami unleashed in 2020 to offset the covid shutdowns is fading fast, local economic growth is fading fast and the deflationary shockwave triggered by China's shrinking credit impulse is about to sweep across the globe.

    The slowdown in China's credit should not come as a surprise after we reported one month ago that China’s central bank had asked the nation’s major lenders - which are all at least partially state-owned which means it wasn't 'asked' but rather 'ordered' - to "curtail loan growth for the rest of this year after a surge in the first two months stoked bubble risks."

    ..."important though the US is, China also needs to be watched closely, especially with regards to global commodity prices and the role they have played in driving inflation higher. In that sense, maybe the current commodity driven inflation fears will dissipate just like they did in the aftermath of the 2008 GFC."

    Looking ahead, with high correlations and short lag times, Chinese interest rate swaps and industrial metals should be the first assets to be adversely impacted by the topping of the Chinese credit impulse.

    The mining and industrial sectors also have short lag times, but their correlation is slightly lower. The other highly correlated group of assets, including eurozone banks, also gets strongly affected by credit impulse, but the rather large lag time opens the door for other factors to influence the price action of these assets as well.

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    Dzaba krecite. Putanja je UP. I to naredni dugi niz godina.

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    Ma znas kako je, drukam da jeftinije kupim (sarkazam).

    Kad odrastem prestat cu uzimati terapiju i pretvarat cu se da sam Angelina...

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    • June 19, 2021 at 10:51 AM
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    Following the sale of the Supramax “Donau K” 58/2012 Kawasaki, Japan
    (SS/DD 08/2022, BWTS fitted) at USD 19,6 mill, the sister vessel “Amami K”
    58/2012 Kawasaki, Japan (SS/DD 02/2022, BWTS fitted) was committed this
    week to Greek buyers for USD 20 mill.

  • st-brajo
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    • June 19, 2021 at 2:59 PM
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    Ma znas kako je, drukam da jeftinije kupim (sarkazam).

    dečki, pošto unutra imate i fondove, dobro pratite što radi dolar.

    najmanji je problem iskrcat se s palube, ako treba i porez platiti, i pustiti fondove da riješe svoje i onda se opet ukrcati po nižim cijenama.

    jaki dolar nije dobar za dionice i izaziva val nekritične fondovske rasprodaje.

    opet ponavljam, prije sekularnog bull marketa na commodities-ima, mora doći do deflacijskog udara.

    ja baš tu čekam svoje kupnje, kad većina neće znati što ih je pogodilo.

    otkad market postoji, pravila igre su uvijek ista, samo što nikad dosad nismo imali situaciju da ćemo investirati u infaciji (jer u Yugi tržište kapitala nismo ni imali).

    manite se Kine i futuresa i pratite dolar!

    ''Dođu, tako, vremena, kada pamet zašuti, budala progovori, a fukara se obogati!'' - Ivo Andrić

    "Ako uvedemo porez na vlastitu imovinu, stranci će je prestati kupovati" - Krešimir "Superhik" Macan

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    • June 20, 2021 at 7:51 AM
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    Ma svejedno dal ce to par % gore ili dolje kroz par dana, dok je cijela situacija ovakva sa TC i spot vozarinana, cijenom brodova, naudzbama brodova... iako se nadam da su svi brodovlasnici naucili lekciju zadnjih 13 godina.

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    • June 20, 2021 at 10:33 AM
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    • With downward revisions this week to China and upgrades to the euro area, global growth is down 0.2 percentage points, to 6.3%, in 2021 and unchanged at 4.6% in 2022.

    https://www.investmentbank.barclays.com/our-insights/weekly-insights.html

    Ako je to nekome dovoljan razlog za prodaju ok, svaka čast, ali meni još ni izdaleka nije.

    A kratkoročno gledano ovaj oporavak dolara je dobro došao jer će još malo podebljati izvješća za q2. Ne bih imao ništa protiv da još malo ojača do kraja mjeseca, recimo do 6.5kn.

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    • June 20, 2021 at 10:42 AM
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    A kratkoročno gledano ovaj oporavak dolara je dobro došao jer će još malo podebljati izvješća za q2. Ne bih imao ništa protiv da još malo ojača do kraja mjeseca, recimo do 6.5kn.

    Korekciju BDI je anulirao rast dolara. Protekli tjedan USD/HRK + 2,5 %

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    • June 20, 2021 at 12:13 PM
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    Procjena Fitcha za inflaciju, dan starija od objave FED-a:

    https://www.fitchratings.com/research/sover…kely-15-06-2021

    Nevertheless, we have revised up significantly our US and global inflation forecasts. We expect US CPI inflation to fall from 4.1% at end-2021 to 2.2% by end-2022, but then to rise again to 2.5% in 2023 as output moves further above potential after the labour market fully recovers in late-2022. We now expect the Fed to hike rates in 4Q23, one year earlier than our previous expectation. The ECB will not follow suit and will likely continue asset purchases through 2023 as eurozone inflation remains below target.

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    • June 20, 2021 at 12:39 PM
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    A kratkoročno gledano ovaj oporavak dolara je dobro došao jer će još malo podebljati izvješća za q2. Ne bih imao ništa protiv da još malo ojača do kraja mjeseca, recimo do 6.5kn.

    Korekciju BDI je anulirao rast dolara. Protekli tjedan USD/HRK + 2,5 %

    Nisu bas stvari tako jednostavne, zar ne? Malo ce fed stisnut i nacrtat 2 tocke pa ce narast dolar pa ce past bdi pa smo mi na nuli i sve super. Vidis i sam koliko to nereda radi na commodities pa se prelije na drybulk pa i na atpl.

    S druge strane ne slazem se 100% ni sa st-brajom da pratimo samo dxy, inace se bavimo forexom a ne dry bulkom ;)

    Postoji i suply vs demand dio price koji djeluje zdravije. Imamo i kineske kredite koji ne idu u prilog. Treba pratiti sve (ukljucujuci zdravlje kimeskih svinja) :P

    Inace za forex,dxy gledao sam ove analize pa bacio oko i sad i evo cak se nekako procjenjuje pad dolara u srednjem roku :/

    https://www.fxstreet.com/rates-charts/eurusd/forecast

  • gigic23
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    • June 20, 2021 at 12:49 PM
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    Malo opet o kontejnerašima i promjeni vrijednosti SH brodova u razdoblju od kolovoza 2020 do lipnja 2021. Tri razlicite veličine brodova a koje cca odgovaraju handyima, suprama i panamaxima iz dry bulka po DWT veličini. 10 godišnjaci i 15 godišnjaci u sve 3 kategorije.

    Zaista zanimljivo. Znači u kolovozu 2020 godine je 6 takvih brodova po 1 iz svake skupine vrijedilo ukupno 62,50 mil$, danas nakon 10 mjeseci vrijedi 269,00 mil$ uz ukupni porast od 206,50%. Realno tako izabrana hipotetska flota samo ilustrativno pokazuje kakve reperkusije imaju promjene asseta na bilance shipping kompanija. Naravno to je svjetsko okruženje i dinamika i promjena je brutalna. I na kraju najnoviji ugovori kod konteneraša već idu na periode od 36 mjeseci sa pr vozarinama za cijeli period iznad 40.000$, što ukazuje na neupitnu održivost ponude potražnje do 2024 godine. Čini se da uz specifičnosti sektora dry bulk ima fazni pomak od cca 9 mjeseci.

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    • June 20, 2021 at 5:17 PM
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    Malo opet o kontejnerašima i promjeni vrijednosti SH brodova u razdoblju od kolovoza 2020 do lipnja 2021. Tri razlicite veličine brodova a koje cca odgovaraju handyima, suprama i panamaxima iz dry bulka po DWT veličini. 10 godišnjaci i 15 godišnjaci u sve 3 kategorije.

    Zaista zanimljivo. Znači u kolovozu 2020 godine je 6 takvih brodova po 1 iz svake skupine vrijedilo ukupno 62,50 mil$, danas nakon 10 mjeseci vrijedi 269,00 mil$ uz ukupni porast od 206,50%. Realno tako izabrana hipotetska flota samo ilustrativno pokazuje kakve reperkusije imaju promjene asseta na bilance shipping kompanija. Naravno to je svjetsko okruženje i dinamika i promjena je brutalna. I na kraju najnoviji ugovori kod konteneraša već idu na periode od 36 mjeseci sa pr vozarinama za cijeli period iznad 40.000$, što ukazuje na neupitnu održivost ponude potražnje do 2024 godine. Čini se da uz specifičnosti sektora dry bulk ima fazni pomak od cca 9 mjeseci.

    Samo ispravka, uz ukupni porast od 206,50 mil$, odnosno 330,4%, index rasta 430,4.

  • jasko
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    • June 20, 2021 at 10:05 PM
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    Shipping Weekly 23/2021 https://fda195ed-9571-42ec-b092-d42af79f832c.usrfiles.com/ugd/fda195_ac4…80744a25097.pdf

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    • June 21, 2021 at 12:23 PM
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    Panamax 2007 ugovoren na 7 do 9 miseci po 25 k dolara. Nestrpljivo iscekujem izvjesce ATPL.

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    • June 21, 2021 at 12:47 PM
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    Evo ja ću kad nema Jaska

    Capesize $32785:

    June 28250 -650

    July 35500 -2450

    Aug 36000 -1950

    Sept 36000 -2000

    Q3 35750 -2200

    Q4 33750 -700

    Q1 17300 -800

    C3 27.520 $/ton -0.605

    C5 11.182 $/ton -0.241

    BCI 5TC 32785 -630

  • Manu
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    • June 21, 2021 at 2:04 PM
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    bdi -0.9% 3190

    supre, handy i dalje up

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    • June 21, 2021 at 2:13 PM
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    BCI 5 T/C routes 180000 32785 -630

    BPI 5 T/C routes 82500 31544 -353

    BSI 10 T/C routes 58328 31073 254

    BHSI 7 T/C routes 38200 25510 340

    BDI Index 3190 -28

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    • June 21, 2021 at 5:04 PM
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    Malo štiva uz kupanjac...https://www.breakwaveadvisors.com/insights/2021/6/20/world-remains-hungry-for-iron-ore#

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    • June 21, 2021 at 5:31 PM
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    Shipping rates expected to stay high in potential profit drag for retail

    Jun. 21, 2021 11:08 AM ETBaltic Dry Futures (BDIY:IND), XRTBy: Clark Schultz, SA News Editor3 Comments

    Blue containership with cargo containersOpla/E+ via Getty Images

    • UBS says a key takeaway from meetings with shipping industry experts is that supply chain pressures will remain in place for the near term as it pertains to the retail sector.
    • The bottlenecks are linked in part to port disruptions, labor shortages and a lack of available warehouse space to store product.
    • Analyst Michael Lasser: "Even if these issues are solved, the tightness in the market will likely remain elevated due to backlogs from demand outpacing supply for a prolonged period. Plus, peak season is right around the corner (August/September) which will add another wrinkle. This is likely to lead to a continuation of the heightened shipping costs for retailers, for at least in the near term."
    • Container rates will likely continue to be a headwind for retailers into 2022. Looking even further ahead, shipping experts also believe that rates will not see much of a correction until 12 to 18 months from now. And even then, an elevated "new normal" for container prices could be part of the market.
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    • June 21, 2021 at 6:36 PM
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    Dobar podcast, preporucam. Jedna gospodja iz Clarksonsa ima prezentaciju gdje secira trziste bulkera.

    A Golden Age for Dry Bulk Shipping

    Kad odrastem prestat cu uzimati terapiju i pretvarat cu se da sam Angelina...

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    • June 21, 2021 at 7:06 PM
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    Quote from mitkko

    Dobar podcast, preporucam. Jedna gospodja iz Clarksonsa ima prezentaciju gdje secira trziste bulkera.

    A Golden Age for Dry Bulk Shipping

    Drugi dio je mozda i jos zanimljiviji, direktori nekoliko brodarskih kompanija pricaju o perspektivama trzista.

    Kad odrastem prestat cu uzimati terapiju i pretvarat cu se da sam Angelina...

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