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  • migra
  • January 16, 2021 at 10:18 AM
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    • April 22, 2021 at 2:07 PM
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    To bi onda trebalo znaciti panamaxi averaging barem 30.000 usd. I manje klase 20-25.000.

    Zadnji puta preko 3000 i vozarine

    15.6.2010 3.020 37.173 25.825 24.515 18.942

    :/ =O


    Sa ovakvim razinama cijena ATPL bi zarađivala između 40 i 50 mil kuna po kvartalu...neto zarada.

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    • April 22, 2021 at 2:26 PM
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    Optimism in the dry bulk sphere


    Full steam ahead

    Always accounting for the usual volatility which is of course an inherent element of the freight market, the bigger picture for dry bulk shipping rates remains positive in the short to mid-term. Robust demand for major dry bulk commodities, the need for stock rebuilding, the decade-low orderbook, market’s confidence depicted in the forward curve, environmental challenges, energy efficiency standards and their technological requirements, as well as forecasts for improved fleet utilisation rate over the next couple of years, all paint a positive picture for dry bulk shipping players to finally capitalise on a long-awaited market turnaround. https://www.drybulkmagazine.com/dry-bulk/22042…ry-bulk-sphere/

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    • April 22, 2021 at 2:51 PM
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    CHART OF THE DAY: Iron ore prices have surged to a ~10-year high of almost $175 a tonne, fast making a run for the all-time high (note that pre-2012 data is monthly, and more recent data is daily, as the structure of the iron ore market changed)

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    • April 22, 2021 at 3:29 PM
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    Genco Shipping & Trading Limited (GNK)

    New 2022 Dividend Estimate and Fleet Renewal Intact

    .Our FY2022 dividend estimate is $2.25/share is based on our 2022 EBITDA estimate of $171.3 million, which implies a current yield of 16.4%. Assuming TCE rates of $18.8k/day and TCE revenue of $272 million, operating cash flow should approximate $164 million. Incorporating debt amortization of $24 million, drydock capex of $11 million, and a reserve of $34 million, net cash flow of $95 million ... https://www.channelchek.com/news-channel/G…_Renewal_Intact

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    • April 22, 2021 at 3:51 PM
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    Quote from jasko

    Genco Shipping & Trading Limited (GNK)

    New 2022 Dividend Estimate and Fleet Renewal Intact

    .Our FY2022 dividend estimate is $2.25/share is based on our 2022 EBITDA estimate of $171.3 million, which implies a current yield of 16.4%. Assuming TCE rates of $18.8k/day and TCE revenue of $272 million, operating cash flow should approximate $164 million. Incorporating debt amortization of $24 million, drydock capex of $11 million, and a reserve of $34 million, net cash flow of $95 million ... https://www.channelchek.com/news-channel/G…_Renewal_Intact

    to je jedan od mojih favorita,prilično kozervativna procjena za TCE/day.

    očekujem da će se to s vremenom revidirati na više.

    inače zanimljiv dry bulker ima veliku dodirnu točku sa atpl.

    cijena u zadnjih 6 mjeseci značajno odstupa od prethodnog razdoblja.

    razlozi?

    samo jedan,rasprodaja u prvih 10,očekujem da će se taj gap pupuniti,odnosno praktični poučak o katapultu.

    baš kako su neki od nas najavljivali da će i na atpl katapult odraditi svoje zar ne? ;)

    rasprodavači na atpl su se silili preko svake mjere zanemarivati desetljećima neviđene pozitivne naznake te su i u tisučicama rasprodavati <170,tada sam napisao da će se to po pokazati kao veliki promašaj mjerljiv na skali godine a da neće biti senzacija promašaj na skali u desetljećima.

    šteta je već danas u mil,uskoro u desecima mil,nebi bila senzacija da će na kraju i skala u stotinama mil biti u upotrebi.

    a mi se čudimo da na štednji i zakopano leži >250 mlrdkn koje ne žele na market niti u malom %:?:

    i dalje ne mogu vjerovati da se ovdje ne otvara podružnica nekog renomiranog sv fonda jer prilika za zaradu ima i to odličnih da ovim našim domaćim "profesionalcima" pokažu kako se to radi :/

    ZSE treba što prije prepusiti na upravljanje sposobnima da podignu ovu burzu sa nedopustivo i potpuno neopravdano niskih razina.

    ne pozivam na kupnju-prodaju,očekujem da me netko svojim razmišljanjima i argumentima potakne na novo razmišljanje.isprike na dužini posta,tipfelerima...

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    • April 22, 2021 at 6:46 PM
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    Nek ostane zabiljezeno...

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    • April 23, 2021 at 12:10 AM
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    Global #steel giant ArcelorMittal has increased its coil offers once again across Europe, on the back of the ongoing shortage of supply. Its new offers for #HRC are at €1,000/mt ex-works, up €30/mt compared to last week.

    April 22: Most-active CBOT #corn futures rose and ended the daily 25 cent limit to $6.31-1/2 per bushel, its highest since June 2013. That's up 30% so far in 2021, up 17% in April and up 94% from a year ago.

    Fun fact: Most-active CBOT #corn & #soybean futures made their yearly highs in April only once in the last 20 years: 2004. Most-active #wheat also made its high at the same time. Corn/soy/wheat all made their highs in May 2014, but the summer and December are more common times.


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    ne pozivam na kupnju-prodaju,očekujem da me netko svojim razmišljanjima i argumentima potakne na novo razmišljanje.isprike na dužini posta,tipfelerima...

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    • April 23, 2021 at 8:40 AM
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    Iron ore futures in Asia were little changed on Friday after spot prices pulled back from decade highs, as participants were monitoring how quick China's mills will be able to destock after ramping up output.

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    April 22: Most-active CBOT #wheat futures top $7 per bushel for the first time since May 2014 as global commodity prices soar. Short supplies of corn are seen driving more wheat feeding. Most-active wheat is up 11% so far in 2021, up 15% in April and up 31% from a year ago.


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    ne pozivam na kupnju-prodaju,očekujem da me netko svojim razmišljanjima i argumentima potakne na novo razmišljanje.isprike na dužini posta,tipfelerima...

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    • April 23, 2021 at 8:45 AM
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    Capes party like it’s 2008

    China appears to be short coal, supply gaps are trying to be filled by turning to the seaborne market and snapping up lots of Indo coal and even stretching out to Colombian and rarely taken South African,” Arrow pointed out in a new coal report. “With the peak power demand season approaching and land based supply of coal hindered, seaborne coal demand looks set to rise and could be the dark horse of the dry cargo market in 2021.”

    ;)

    ne pozivam na kupnju-prodaju,očekujem da me netko svojim razmišljanjima i argumentima potakne na novo razmišljanje.isprike na dužini posta,tipfelerima...

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    • April 23, 2021 at 9:03 AM
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    The China steel and iron ore market narrative for 2021 was supposed to be pollution-led curbs on steel output, coupled with rising iron ore supply, leading to lower prices.

    Neither is happening.........

    ;)

    Quote from migra
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    China plans to reduce output of steel, aluminum to achieve carbon neutrality.

    to želi cijeli svijet pa i kina ali još 1o godina ići će se u smjeru:

    China's goal to reach a carbon dioxide emissions peak by 2030.

    China's Ministry of Industry and Information Technology has cited the plan to cut steel output no less than three times already in 2021

    But this could hurt the profitability of steel end-users, or even drive up inflation.

    Take China's plans for iron ore cuts....

    'What the Chinese government says and what the Chinese government does are two different things

    i za kraj najgori scenarij da kina i ostvari što nikad nije i ako bi ikad htjela osim na riječima,da smanji proizvodnju steela čime bi se izgubio profit,poluga moći u svjetskim ekonomskim odnosima,da u krajnjoj liniji uspori svoj ekonomski rast....

    hoće li svijet stati?ako kina kaže dovoljno smo bogati da ne želimo više zarađivati na nečistoj industriji koja svakim danom postaje čišća,to je jedna posebna tema koja zahtjeva.....

    uvjeren sam da svijet neće stati ako bi kojim slučajem kina...

    nameće se više nego logičan odgovor,dogodit će se ono što se je dogodilo kada je i kina preuzela svjetsku proizvodnju čelika,netko drugi će reći "ne možemo si priuštiti da radi "nečiste" industrije propuštamo veliku zaradu"

    zar već danas ne svjedočimo procesu tranzicije?

    pri:

    China steel imports surge 150% in 2020,Vietnam's steelmakers long suffered from an influx of cheap alternatives from China. But the trend reversed last year, when steel exports to China increased more than ninefold.....

    Indian steel exports to China increased by a factor of 15 last year....

    Japanese steelmakers also were quick to tap Chinese demand. Mini-mill producer Tokyo Steel Manufacturing resumed exports to China for the first time in a decade in July.

    ukupe količine su male ali je trend više nego naglašen.

    Strong MENA demand diverts high grade iron ore supply from China

    znači ima onih koji bolje plačaju od kineza,koji čekaju u redu da kinezi odustanu od proizvodnje steela ali ne vjerujem da su oni baš tako....

    bitno izglednije da su to iskusni glumci ,performeri....

    koji nebi bili na putu da postanu gospodari svijeta da su baš tako....

    vidim dva njihova primarna motiva za "svakodnevno" ponavljanje mantre smanjit ćemo proizvodnju steela...

    1. da se dodvore svjetskoj zajednici kao najveći zagađivaći planete da bi oni ali....

    2. direktno na trenutnoj bazi tim izjavama dižu cijene steela na svjetskom tržištu i time podižu zaradu svojih čeličana.

    moj rezime:svijet ne može bez steela,treba ga više nego ikad,cijena neće biti prepreka jer alternativa je okretanje kotača u suprotnom smjeru.

    ima li tko pri zdravoj pameti da to želi,da bi to dozvolio ako se može spriječiti?

    neće kina odrediti koliko će se steela proizvoditi,to će odrediti DEMAND a sve upučuje da će biti jak kao nikad pa...

    dry bulk će na jedinom prihvatljivom izboru profitirati u rasponu jako dobro do profitirati kao nikad u povijesti.

    time will tell

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    ne pozivam na kupnju-prodaju,očekujem da me netko svojim razmišljanjima i argumentima potakne na novo razmišljanje.isprike na dužini posta,tipfelerima...

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    • April 23, 2021 at 9:38 AM
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    Steel Production Outside of China Sets New Record

    • Data released today shows global steel production outside of China set a new record in March. Production totaled approximately 75.2 million tons, which is up month-on-month by 9.8 million tons (15%) and up by 7.1 million tons (10%) from the 68.1 million tons that was reported last year for March 2020's production. The previous record was 74.9 million tons produced in March 2019.
    • Overall, it is very encouraging that global steel production outside of China has set a new record (total global steel production also set a record last month as China's own production has stayed very strong). Noteworthy is that production in the Middle East/Africa last month rose year-on-year by 17%, production in India rose year-on-year by 16%, production in the European Union and Russia each rose year-on-year by 13%, production in South Korea rose year-on-year by 6%, and production in Japan rose year-on-year by 1%.
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    • April 23, 2021 at 9:38 AM
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    Jel se ovo capeovi ne miču na braemaru ili šta? Vidim sve 0 :/

    https://www.braemarscreen.com/

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    • April 23, 2021 at 10:15 AM
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    Quote from looserst

    Jel se ovo capeovi ne miču na braemaru ili šta? Vidim sve 0 :/

    https://www.braemarscreen.com/

    Evo mrdaju se sad, ignoririrajte.

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    • April 23, 2021 at 10:16 AM
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    vidim da je večina skoncentrirana ovih dana na gledalicu pa ispod radara i kometara prolaze potencijalno,izgledno dramatično pozitivne posljedice za dry bulk barem u mojim očima a nisam često griješio :/ ;) :)

    pa da pokušam ponovo potaknuti rasprava,ako ne uspije nema veze već će to isplivati na površinu u nekoj budućnosti.

    činjenica da se katapult duuugo zatezao i da sada je došlo vrijeme da se naplati stpljivost i dobro odrađena domaća zadaća.

    sretno svima koji će se odlučiti i na kapitalizaciju,što s obzirom na visinu prinosa nominalno a posebice anualizirano nije za zamjeriti.

    osobno držim da će to izgledno u budućnosti izazivati pomiješane emocije jer smo tek na početku početaka odličnih stvari za dry bulk,iako

    svi znamo da u životu nema bez rizika u ničemu pa će samo rezime po investitorski dati konačan sud.

    međurezime je impresivan s obzirom na rok ostvarenja,njime je ispunjem moj najniži scenarij za ATPL(250) u 2021.

    promatrajmo,participirajmo po slobodi izbora i dalje.

    piratski pozdrav

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    evo malo kamilice za laku noć za one na palubi :sleeping:

    Australia cancels Belt and Road deals; China warns of further damage to ties

    Australia on Wednesday cancelled two deals struck by its state of Victoria with China on Beijing's flagship Belt and Road Initiative, prompting the Chinese embassy in Canberra to warn that already tense bilateral ties were bound to worsen....

    ovo je u 2021 jedna od boljih vijesti u mom izboru uzimajući u obzir izgledne posljedice za dry bulk u godinama pred nama.

    i danas ubiremo nemale plodove blagodati kineskog bojkota austral. ugljena ali to je sića što se sada iza brda valja.

    čini da je na pomolu neizbježno dodatno zaoštravanje odnosa sa potencijalno spektakularno pozitivnim posljedicama.

    NE,sigurno nije "spektakularno" neprimjeren izraz jer uključuje spektakularno povečanje tonmilja ;)

    kinezi već u zapadnoj africi(simandou,guinea) u trci sa vremenom pokušavaju što prije i što više isključiti australiu kao izvor za iron ore.

    u alžiru imaju novopotpisani ugovor.

    https://africa.cgtn.com/2021/03/31/alg…ploit-iron-ore/

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    • April 23, 2021 at 10:53 AM
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    Capesize trading better this morning May 34950 +1150 June 31600 +1000

    Panamax trading firmer May 22750 +600 June 20850 +500

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    • April 23, 2021 at 12:16 PM
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    Baltic Capesize-indeks er opp 2,8 prosent til 34.762 dollar pr dag

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    • April 23, 2021 at 12:16 PM
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    cape up 2.8%

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    • April 23, 2021 at 12:21 PM
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    Kad bi zamijenili 300 mil t x koliko ono tisuca dodatnih milja ide dobijemo novih par tisuca milijardi tona milja. Huh...

    Bolje je jeftino kupovati nego jeftino prodavati.

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    • April 23, 2021 at 1:03 PM
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    Kad bi zamijenili 300 mil t x koliko ono tisuca dodatnih milja ide dobijemo novih par tisuca milijardi tona milja. Huh...

    aus 4k milja a zap afrika >12k

    a proces je već počeo,i sigurno će se intentivirati samo se nezna točan intenzitetpovečanja trenda,po najnovijim i do sada najjačim zatezanjima između kine i aus čini se da će se kinezi polomiti da se to ubrza do krajnjih granica ako ne i preko toga.

    jer kako drugačije shvatiti najnoviju izjavu(prijetnju?) kineskog ambasadora:

    Australia's latest move "is bound to bring further damage to bilateral relations, and will only end up hurting itself," the Chinese embassy said.

    hmmm...kuha se žestoko a za dry bulk to znaži erupcija i bez svih onih drugih stvari koje su već uključene u neizbježni perfect storm.koji je već počeo ako se mene pita,naravno večina ga ne vidi ali pomalo...

    živi bili....

    p.s.

    aus trenutno zarađuje od izvoza commoditiesa kao nikad u povijesti a to je jako dobra stvar,znači nemoraju pokleknuti.

    navijamo za njih da izdrže što duže :thumbup:

    ne pozivam na kupnju-prodaju,očekujem da me netko svojim razmišljanjima i argumentima potakne na novo razmišljanje.isprike na dužini posta,tipfelerima...

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    • April 23, 2021 at 1:28 PM
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    PMAX CEMTEX VENTURE 73,594 2006 JIANGNAN, China MAN-B&W Aug-21 $ 12.0m undisclosed BWTS fitted

    KMAX RANHIL 81,048 2015

    JIANGSU JINLING,

    China MAN-B&W Apr-25 $ 23.5m Greek BWTS fitted

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