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  • January 16, 2021 at 10:18 AM
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    • August 23, 2022 at 11:59 PM
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    i ja sam o tome razmisljao danas al ta Atpl ima srece 3 panamaxa u bearbot charteru trosak goriva i placa za radnike snosi unajmitelj pa bi onda koliki bio BE za ta 3 panamaxa 3000-4000 US dolara eto vi bolje znate a svih 6 Supry u Kratkorocnom najmu a vozarine za njih milina

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    • August 24, 2022 at 12:20 AM
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    Quote from enes.razman

    i ja sam o tome razmisljao danas al ta Atpl ima srece 3 panamaxa u bearbot charteru trosak goriva i placa za radnike snosi unajmitelj pa bi onda koliki bio BE za ta 3 panamaxa 3000-4000 US dolara eto vi bolje znate a svih 6 Supry u Kratkorocnom najmu a vozarine za njih milina

    5 supri sa prosjekom vozarine od 25500 usd u q2.......

    a pojma nemamo kad ugovori istiću pa nemamo računicu koliko bi nove ugovorene vozarine mogle biti (vrlo vjerovatno bitno niže) za sljedeće razdoblje manje od 1 god.......zapravo, trenutno izgleda da bi najbolje bilo da su neke (2-3 supre) ugovarali na dugoročni najam (2-3 god) za vozarinu debelo višu od 20000 usd ali u izvješćima nema naznaka toga......

    I jel nisu 4 panamaxa na dugoročnom a jedino Libertas lovi nove ugovore?......imao je iznadprosječnu vozarinu za q2 iz atpl panamax flote........

    PS

    nema trenutno u dry bulku ni crnog ni bijelog ali zato imamo sve moguće nijanse sive........

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    • August 24, 2022 at 10:19 AM
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    koji je problem panamaxa da tako rone več par dana?.........postali su preskupi u odnosu cijena vs tonaža u odnosu na cape?.........nemogu u manje luke gdje supre mogu?.......nešto treće, četvrto +- prvo dvoje navedeno?......ima ćumura?......nema ćumura?.......jel treba ćumura?.......cijene mu visoke a najmovi brodova idu u podrum (nema logike ali nešto mora bit?)?......previše je brodova?........kina = game over?.....drugi nemogu tu potražnju nadomjestit?.......

    niš' se ne uklapa u "sliku" osim ako brodari ne misle biti "first in, last out" u nekoj eventualnoj večoj ili manjoj krizi.......odnosno BDI bi trebao bit "življi" u ovo doba godine.......jel misi on gore ili će se brodari "potrgat" da jeftino daju najam ujesen na 6 mjeseci samo da izbjegnu minus u q1 2023?......

    borba trenutno dobrih fundamenata brodara vs trenutna banana na bdi-u +- budući outlook koji bi kao trebao biti ok u drugom djelu godine (prema dosadašnjim najavama), i evo nas tu u drugom dijelu godine al ništa?.........

    Sta se tice panamaxa, zabrana ugljena je krenila nedavno u EU problem je sta je u isto vrijeme nastao i veliki problem s niskim vodostajem rijeka pa onda imaju problema s prebacivanjem postojeceg ugljena na odrediste, koliko to utjece u potpunosti ne znam sigurno je nesto da se dio narudzbi odgadja ista situacija u Eu je i s iron orom kojeg ugljen istiskuje na skladistu pa imaju problema sa skladistim prostorom iako nisam vidio sluzbenu statistiku vec vijest o tome, logika kaze da cim zazimi sjevernije da bi se trebao povecat interes za ugljen, isto tako ocito je da capovi su ti koji ruse ostale tako da su oni kljucni za preokret trenda iako se ovi manji dobro drze pogotovo supre i dalje.


    Ali recimo kad gledam objavljene vozarine koje ja mogu vidit to mi je i dalje u nesrazmjeru s onim sta paper market pokazuje, jedino je ocitija veca volatilnost u razlikama postignutih vozarina jer neko postigne 14k netko 25k sta su velike razlike, vidljivo iz primjera zadnje tri objave.

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    • August 24, 2022 at 12:03 PM
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    Yulin, China's 2nd-largest coal-producing city, has shut down at least seven coal mines after a #coal driver was tested positive for #COVID-19, market sources said, adding to the already supply tightness driven by the recent increased demand

    https://twitter.com/sxcoal/status/1562327601758470145/


    Indian officials are reportedly considering a proposal to close less than 5 GW of existing coal-fired power capacity by the end of the decade, a much relaxed scheme compared with the plans worked out in 2020 that proposed cutting down about 25 GW during the same period, according to Bloomberg.

    This came as the country strives to meet growing electricity demand amid global energy shortage, but could threaten its performance on climate goal as it may pull up coal-fired power plants for years, Bloomberg said, citing people familiar with the matter.

    The country currently has about 204 GW of coal-fired power capacity and the plans under discussion would see the capacity expand to more than 250 GW in the next decade.

    India has committed to attaining only 50% of its total power installed capacity through non-fossil fuel-based energy resources by 2030, according to the updated Nationally Determined Contributions, giving it space to continue relying on coal for decades.

    Based on the latest data from the Central Electricity Authority, India's current total installed power capacity reached 404 GW, of which 50% comes from coal, 28% from renewable sources and 10% from hydropower


    India considers to put off coal plants closure amid rising power demand

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    • August 24, 2022 at 2:05 PM
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    BDI 1213 (-58)

    Opet samo supre rastu

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    • August 24, 2022 at 2:50 PM
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    Capesizeratene stuper ytterligere 14,7 prosent til 5.636 dollar, panamax er ned 5,7 prosent til 12.086 dollar mens supramaxratene stiger 0,5 prosent til 19.503 dollar.

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    • August 25, 2022 at 11:08 AM
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    Gogl i dalje rastura, ni 4Q ne mogu zavrsit u minusu tek tako

    Estimated TCE rates, inclusive of charter coverage, calculated on a load-to-discharge basis are

    approximately:

    ▪ $27,900 per day for 80% of Capesize available days and $27,100 per day for 96% of Panamax

    available days for the third quarter of 2022; and

    ▪ $29,500 per day for 25% of Capesize available days and $21,900 per day for 27% of Panamax

    available days for the fourth quarter of 2022.

    ▪ Announced a cash dividend of $0.60 per share for the second quarter of 2022, payable on or about

    September 14, 2022 to shareholders of record on September 7, 2022. Shareholders holding the

    Company’s shares through Euronext VPS may receive this cash dividend later, on or about September

    16, 2022


    I dalje ih ne pusta optimizam


    Despite recent weakness in freight rates caused by easing port congestion and the contraction in China’s

    economy due, in part, to its “zero COVID” policy, our market outlook remains optimistic. Slowing fleet growth

    and new environmental regulations provide a strong offset to a potential short-term slowing of demand

    growth which combined with our charter coverage and superior fuel economics from our modern fleet will

    support continued healthy returns.


    Brodove koje su narucili u 6 mjesec dobivaju tek 2025

    In June 2022, the Company entered into agreements to construct a total of three Kamsarmax vessels, with

    the same design and shipyard group as the seven previously announced newbuilding contracts. The three

    incremental vessels are expected to be delivered to the Company by the first quarter of 2025


    https://ml-eu.globenewswire.com/Resource/Download/d141d3ae-d41e-4fbb-af24-09c385118809

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    • August 25, 2022 at 1:00 PM
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    BALTIC CAPESIZE-INDEKS -30,25% TIL USD 3.931/DAG

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    BALTIC CAPESIZE-INDEKS -30,25% TIL USD 3.931/DAG

    dobro je, ako padne za još 3931 USD onda znamo da je pad definitivno gotov.......

    nego, kako iron ore price uspjevaju ostati relativno stabilne i visoke ako ih gledamo kroz prizmu capova da je potražnja tako izrazito slaba?......

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    BALTIC CAPESIZE-INDEKS -30,25% TIL USD 3.931/DAG

    dobro je, ako padne za još 3931 USD onda znamo da je pad definitivno gotov.......

    nego, kako iron ore price uspjevaju ostati relativno stabilne i visoke ako ih gledamo kroz prizmu capova da je potražnja tako izrazito slaba?......

    Kolega, ako se dobro sjećam vozarine su početkom 2020. u jednom trenutku

    otišle čak i u minus, tako da tko zna gdje je dno ovome ako nema potražnje za

    prijevozom uglavnom željezne rude iz Brazila u Kinu...

    Kocka je bačena, alea iacta est :!:

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    Quote from hugh

    dobro je, ako padne za još 3931 USD onda znamo da je pad definitivno gotov.......

    nego, kako iron ore price uspjevaju ostati relativno stabilne i visoke ako ih gledamo kroz prizmu capova da je potražnja tako izrazito slaba?......

    Kolega, ako se dobro sjećam vozarine su početkom 2020. u jednom trenutku

    otišle čak i u minus, tako da tko zna gdje je dno ovome ako nema potražnje za

    prijevozom uglavnom željezne rude iz Brazila u Kinu...

    neznam za takvu situaciju, nije li nafta bila u minusu početkom 2020 kad je corona krenila?.....

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    • August 25, 2022 at 1:32 PM
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    Quote from hugh

    dobro je, ako padne za još 3931 USD onda znamo da je pad definitivno gotov.......

    nego, kako iron ore price uspjevaju ostati relativno stabilne i visoke ako ih gledamo kroz prizmu capova da je potražnja tako izrazito slaba?......

    Kolega, ako se dobro sjećam vozarine su početkom 2020. u jednom trenutku

    otišle čak i u minus, tako da tko zna gdje je dno ovome ako nema potražnje za

    prijevozom uglavnom željezne rude iz Brazila u Kinu...

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    • August 25, 2022 at 1:34 PM
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    to te ja pitam Jasko legndo samo da Supre rastu nema zime

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    • August 25, 2022 at 1:46 PM
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    Baš malo gledam buduća očekivanja za vozarine u slijedećim mjesecima, te ne znam što se to događa i što da mislim :/

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    Kocka je bačena, alea iacta est :!:

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    Baš malo gledam buduća očekivanja za vozarine u slijedećim mjesecima, te ne znam što se to događa i što da mislim :/

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    BDI 1123 (-90)

    Na prvu mi se činilo da su ostale iste brojke. I jesu, samo je sad jedinica ispred dvojke :(

    Izdale nas i Supre danas.

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    • August 25, 2022 at 2:05 PM
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    ima li itko od upučenijih ikakvo suvislo objašnjenje zašto takve ogromne razlike u vozarinama između pojedinih klasa bulkera? nekako mi nije nešto logično da je uzrok tome samo kineska potražnja. ili ima toliko puno trenutno slobodnih capeova, a nitko ih ne treba?

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    • August 25, 2022 at 2:08 PM
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    ono sto mogu Supre nemogu Capovi i Pnmax a to je ulaziti u dublje esturaije rijeka pa je problem sa pretovarom robe bez celika se moze ali bez hrane probajte vi.Kako ce Brazil imati rekordnu zetvu cak i dvije vjerujem da se pojacava izvoz iz Juzne Amerike Handyi su manje tonaze ali Supramaxi su idalni

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    BDI 1123 (-90)

    Na prvu mi se činilo da su ostale iste brojke. I jesu, samo je sad jedinica ispred dvojke :(

    Izdale nas i Supre danas.

    Čini se da ništa od preokreta vozarina, bar za sada, možda uskoro, tko zna ?(

    Freight futures am update

    Capesize down ~10%
    Panamax down ~2%

    Kocka je bačena, alea iacta est :!:

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    • August 25, 2022 at 2:40 PM
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