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DRY BULK

  • migra
  • January 16, 2021 at 10:18 AM
  • accountant
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    • July 12, 2022 at 10:44 AM
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    Quote from havi

    accountant

    Jel vi gledate graf ili pisete dojmove o grafu?

    Pad je u rangu pada tržišta pomnoženo betom.

    Da se slikarski izrazim, nije vam ovo ekspresionizam nego foto realizam.

    evo hoćeš dnevno: brodari na TradingView

    ili pogledaj recimo DAC dnevni, zadnjih par mjeseci: DAC na Finviz

    ne znaš što je ljepše

    čisti realizam

    no u Njemačkoj je čujem nekoliko mjeseci rok (red) za peći na drva

    tako da nemaju oni pojma

    oporavak je tu, iza ugla

  • havi
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    • July 12, 2022 at 11:19 AM
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    accountant

    Ne znam zašto ste toliko nervozni i kome se lokalno obraćate kad su vase procjene očito za neke vise sfere u kojima sve ide na nulu. Pogotovo na omrznutu ZSE koju svakodnevno zasipaju horde marginasa, mirovinaca i AIF-ova. Sve se raspada, RH i svijet idu u nemilost najgore moguće krize i raspada.

    Da mi sad pokažete svoj portfelj mogao bih se okladiti da u njemu ne bi bio niti jedan short al ovdje svakodnevno prodajete gornju priču. Kako to da vlastitim primjerom i vlastitom lovom ne slijedite investicijske teze?

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    • July 12, 2022 at 11:39 AM
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    Šangaj - sve vrste brodova u minusu. Panamaxi na 16519.

    Southern China via Indonesia to South Korea76000DWTPanamax$/day16519-917

    Na futuresima panamaxa i supri cal 2023 borba za ostanak iznad break evena. Q4 futuresi također u padu. Pogotovo su za supre niži od trenutnih vozarina.

    No good. Downturn.

  • BudFox
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    • July 12, 2022 at 12:03 PM
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    Da Futuresi mogu predvidjeti godinu dana unaprijed svi bi bili bogati, toliko o Cal23.

    ATPL je pala sa 570 na 430 kn, kao i strani brodari u sličnom omjeru, pa sada crnjačiti

    znači tražiti naivce koji će vam prodati dionicu kako bi ju jeftino kupili prije rezultata za

    Q2 i povećane sveobuhvatne dobiti zbog rasta tečaja dolara, ali svatko zna najbolje za

    sebe i svatko ima različitu taktiku. Možda padne i na 350kn, tko zna, pa ću opet dignuti

    kredit za kupnju dionica.

    Da vas malo parafraziram

    Gotovo je, sve je crno, svijet se ruši, evo i sunce je izgubilo sjaj, smak svita.

    Pa kud baš na današnji dan, čist zgubitak 8).

    Vatre će se pojavit oko pet otprilike

    Izvadit ću bocu za posebne prilike

    Lipo se cvrcnit, ubit najmanji strah,

    Iz praha smo nastali i postat ćemo prah

    :S :thumbup: :whistling:

    Pozdrav svima sa plaže :love:

    Kocka je bačena, alea iacta est :!:

  • havi
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    • July 12, 2022 at 12:12 PM
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    Ma ne morate se truditi oko opisivanja svima vidljivog jer vam je to već uvelike ugrađeno u cijenu. A ove izjave oko breakevena neću posebno komentirat. Ne rotira se cijela krivulja za pojedinu vozarinu za pojedino razdoblje nego se one paralelno pomiču sto je u skladu sa trendovima. Drugim riječima dno ili manja razina vozarina u ovo doba godine je ocekivana. Zato primjerice danas GOGL u Oslu ne plese u skladu s futuresima. Moguće je da smo na čvrstom supportu i ako je bude neočekivanih događaja i iznenadnih propada na razvijenim burzama, onda postoji poveća mogućnost da nakon akumulacije (na i oko tog supporta) slijedi rast. I vozarina i cijena bulk dionica.

  • BudFox
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    • July 12, 2022 at 12:14 PM
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    Gledam strane brodare jučer i nekako si mislim u sebi da odrađuju lokalno dno, jer koliko god bila uporna prodaja, oni

    se žilavo drže na -2 ili -3%, pa na sam mig rasta vozarina mogli bi svi kolektivno zazeleniti, ali vidjet ćemo, možda

    je ipak smak svita, pa bolje odmah otvoriti bocu pive za posebne prilike :)

    Kocka je bačena, alea iacta est :!:

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    • July 12, 2022 at 2:07 PM
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    Freight futures am update

    Capesize down ~5%
    Panamax down ~5%
    #shipping #drybulk $BDRY

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    • July 12, 2022 at 2:08 PM
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    BCI 5 T/C routes 180000 18655 -958

    BPI 5 T/C routes 82500 18867 -679

    BSI 10 T/C routes 58328 23349 -323

    BHSI 7 T/C routes 38200 21162 -77

    BDI INDEX 2013 -68

  • BudFox
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    • July 12, 2022 at 11:36 PM
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    BDI se sezonalno približava svom ljetnom low-u sredinom 7. mjeseca i početkom 8. mjeseca, nakon čega BDI tradiconalno započinje svoj rast tijekom Q3 kada obično doživljava i svoj vrhunac. Ove godine zbog lockdown-ova u Kini uzrokovanih koronavirusom i predviđenih poticaja gospodarstvu od 200 milijardi dolara, neki predviđaju da će se vrh vozarina dogoditi čak u Q4, zbog nadoknade u predviđenom rastu kineskog gospodarstva od preko 5% ove godine, pa promatrajmo i dalje. Dok ostatak svijeta provodi podizanje kamatnih stopa, Kinezi rade suprotno i potiču rast svog gospodarstva, a lockdown-ovima i posljedično padom potražnje su smanjili cijene željeza i ostalih materijala, te inflacije.

    Danas strani brodari pomalo pali od -0,5 do -3%, te mi se uz poprilično mali promet za njih, koji je bio otprilike duplo niži od uobičajenog i dalje čini da odrađuju dno, ali vidjet ćemo. Koliko vidim na forumu se crnjači na veliko, a to je obično vrijeme da se kupuje ili se sprema na kupovinu 8) ;) :thumbup:


    Kocka je bačena, alea iacta est :!:

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    • July 13, 2022 at 9:27 AM
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    Germany to stop buying Russian coal on Aug 1, oil on Dec 31, says deputy fin min

    SYDNEY, July 13 (Reuters) - Germany will completely stop buying Russian coal on Aug. 1 and Russian oil on Dec. 31, marking a major shift in the source of the country's energy supply, deputy finance minister Joerg Kukies said at a conference in Sydney. The key challenge ahead will be filling the huge gap that will be left when the European Union weans itself off the 158 billion cubic metres (bcm) per year of gas that Russia supplies, Kukies said. "We will be off Russian coal in a few weeks," he told the Sydney Energy Forum, co-hosted by the Australian government and the International Energy Agency. Russian previously supplied 40% of Germany's coal and 40% of its oil, he said.


    https://www.reuters.com/business/energ…-31-2022-07-13/

  • hugh
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    • July 13, 2022 at 11:13 AM
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    Šangaj - svi tipovi brodova opet u minusu. Cape jače nego jučer a panamax vozarine po 15643. Supre načelu kotu ispod 20000. Miriše na veći zaron Bdi-a nego jućer ali bumo vidjeli.

    Southern China via Indonesia to South Korea76000DWTPanamax$/day15643-876

    No good. Downturn.

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    • July 13, 2022 at 12:07 PM
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    5TC 19358 +703

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    • July 13, 2022 at 12:56 PM
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    Market Commentary :

    The pandemic was the main reason that many infrastructure projects were postponed all over the world but

    also the reason that certain weaknesses were revealed in various economies, driving them to plan additional

    infrastructure projects. Now that the world is moving away from lockdowns and trying to keep the economy

    running, despite fresh COVID-19 outbreaks, all these new and postponed infrastructure projects are moving from planning to implementation.

    A few weeks ago, G7 leaders announced a global infrastructure initiative to stabilise and improve conditions

    in developing countries. They will raise USD 600 billion by 2027 for infrastructure investments in areas

    critical to sustainable development, health systems, digital connectivity, social equality, climate and energy security.

    A few weeks after that movement, China has made one step further into starting one of the biggest

    infrastructure programs ever . China’s Ministry of Finance is planning to allow local governments to sell

    1.5 trillion Yuan ($220 billion) of special bonds in the second half of 2022 in order to accelerate the

    infrastructure funding. The debt would mostly be used to finance postponed and new infrastructure, an old

    playbook that will help the boost of the economy hit by COVID lockdowns and the housing slump . The funding would add to 1.1 trillion Yuan in new support for infrastructure announced over the past few weeks. President Xi Jinping’s government is trying to get the economy back on track toward achieving its annual growth target of around 5.5%. The news on Thursday drove the commodity markets to a small rally, with copper & iron ore ending the week 2.6% higher, aluminium & tin climbed around 1.7% while coal is up by 2.9%. The finalizing of the financing is

    a step closer to implementation of infrastructure projects, which means an increased demand for raw materials and commodities.

    The dry market in shipping is probably going to find a foothold on this and can expectsome better days ahead.

    Kocka je bačena, alea iacta est :!:

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    • July 13, 2022 at 2:03 PM
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    Freight futures am update

    Capesize up ~7%
    Panamax flat
    #shipping #drybulk $BDRY

  • BudFox
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    • July 13, 2022 at 2:25 PM
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    Gamechanger if true

    "MARKET SOURCES SAY CHINA MAY REVERSE ITS UNOFFICIAL BAN ON AUSTRALIAN COAL IMPORTS IN AUGUST OR SEPTEMBER AND SOME STEEL MILLS ARE ALREADY MAKING PREPARATION - http://SXCOAL.COM"

    Kocka je bačena, alea iacta est :!:

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    • July 13, 2022 at 2:44 PM
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    Gamechanger if true

    "MARKET SOURCES SAY CHINA MAY REVERSE ITS UNOFFICIAL BAN ON AUSTRALIAN COAL IMPORTS IN AUGUST OR SEPTEMBER AND SOME STEEL MILLS ARE ALREADY MAKING PREPARATION - http://SXCOAL.COM"

    Malo mi je to nategnuto s obzirom na oni njihov meeting krajem godine, jer politicki bi to izgledalo kao slabost da su kinezi popustili tek tako

  • BudFox
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    • July 14, 2022 at 10:25 AM
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    Cape FFA rises again today after a solid rise yesterday. Today, they are also joined by Pmax and Smax.

    Kocka je bačena, alea iacta est :!:

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    • July 14, 2022 at 12:14 PM
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    5TC 20375 1017

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    • July 14, 2022 at 1:18 PM
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    Freight futures am update

    Capesize up ~3%

    Panamax up ~3%

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    • July 14, 2022 at 2:46 PM
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    BDI 2010 (+8)

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