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  • migra
  • January 16, 2021 at 10:18 AM
  • brajakica
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    • October 5, 2021 at 3:26 PM
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    Indija je trece gospodarstvo svijeta a ponasa se kao da nema sto izgubiti ako nema struje?

    Svijet je otisao na kvasinu ili ga stvarno vode deb.. i kako kaze 5element🤪🙃🙆‍♀️.

    https://splash247.com/india-follows-…_medium=twitter

    Zanimljvo ovo bi moglo bit jako dobro ako prodje

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    The Indian government has been in negotiations for what it described as priority cooperation with Australia to secure stable inflows of the country’s coal.

    “If realised, the country’s proposal to Australia would be positive for freight, given the longer voyage from West Australia,” Braemar ACM noted in an update to clients.

    Historically, India has relied on Indonesia for thermal coal supply, accounting for 60.2% of monthly shipments on average over the last five years, Braemar ACM data shows.


    “mports remain the only option to meet demand” in the near term, Indian credit rating agency Crisil, part of the S&P Global group, wrote in a recent report. “In our view, coal inventory at thermal plants will improve only gradually by next March.”

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    Jos godinama alternative nema,bez cumura pecina za sve.

    Do dogovora ce doci i bulkeri ce pobrati vrhnje jos ove zime.

    I drugi moraju ili pecina.

    Idemo dalje... 😁

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    • October 5, 2021 at 3:33 PM
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    gogl,gnk,salt,insw,nmm,panl,sb,sblk,grin,drys,dsx,egle,esea,iwm | Stock Prices | Quote Comparison - Yahoo Finance
    View and compare gogl,gnk,salt,insw,nmm,panl,sb,sblk,grin,drys,dsx,egle,esea,iwm on Yahoo Finance.
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    Danas se izgleda vraća ono od jučer....

  • tin
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    • October 5, 2021 at 3:44 PM
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    Slika govori sve.....

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  • KicanCRO
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    • October 5, 2021 at 3:46 PM
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    Quote from tin

    https://finance.yahoo.com/quotes/gogl%2C…ue&guccounter=1

    Danas se izgleda vraća ono od jučer....

    A sutra raste jer je trebalo rasti i jucer i danas? Napokon su trgovci na zse-u bili glas razuma u svijetu, iako je svugdi drugdje padalo.

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    • October 5, 2021 at 3:48 PM
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    Quote from tin

    https://finance.yahoo.com/quotes/gogl%2C…ue&guccounter=1

    Danas se izgleda vraća ono od jučer....

    Nebi bilo loše da se konačno opoštene i skoče više nego su pali jučer

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    • October 5, 2021 at 4:36 PM
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    Neto dobit je ista kako god ti knjizio najmove, samo je EBITDA razlicita.

    Ja mislim bas suprotno - da je ovaj nacin knjizenja unio dosta zbrke jer sada vise ne mozes jednostavno usporediti EBITDE. Ne mozes jednostavno povuci podatke iz FI u nekakvu excelicu i odmah dobiti sve usporedive parametre.

    Dakle, radi se samo o ta dva bareboat chartera koja ATPL ima - njihov trosak najma povecava EBITDU. Svi ostali brodovi se knjize jednako kao i kod JDPL.

    Jos jedna stvar, ti i ja smo vec debatirali ranije o tome - siguran sam da je ATPL u 2020. dobila odgodu placanja najma za te brodove, to se jasno vidi iz revizorskog izvjesca. Pretpostavljam da ove godine placaju i tekuci najam, ali i te zaostatke od prosle godine, sto onda ima jos veci efekt na EBITDU koja je "napuhana" ne samo za ta dva broda, vec efektivno kao da u najmu ima 4 broda. To je dosta konkretan utjecaj na EBITDU.

    Ovo sve je nazalost nemoguce izracunati i tocno znati dok ne vidimo revizorsko izvjesce, ne znamo nista o njihovim ugovorima.

    Puno toga je nemoguce izracunat zato je bolje ici s nekim minimalnim pretpostavkama, tako smo sigurniji

    Amo postavit na ovakav nacin vidjenje dvije firme jedna ima najam kroz otkup broda nakon 5 godina, druga ima kredit s mjesecnim placanjem i ostatka nakon 5 godina u jednom i drugom slucaju radi se o istom iznosu ali utjecaj na rdig je potpuno drugaciji prva ce morat svaki mjesecni najam provuc kroz rdig kroz amortizaciju i kamatu, dok ce druga kroz rdig trebati provuc samo kamatu, a placanje glavnice se nece nigdje vidjet osim po cash flowu kao odljev svaki mjesec i ta firma ce imat amortizaciju prema nekoj svojoj stopi vijeka broda, sad ocito je da ce na kraju 5 godine jedna i druga firma pod istim uvjetima zaradit jednaku kolicinu novaca, medjutim prva firma u prvih 5 godina ce konstantno iskazivat manju dobit kroz RDIG zbog nacina knjizenja, dok ce druga zaradit vise, a jedna i druga ce imat istu EBITDA.

    Taj dio koji smo debitirali, da zakljucak je bio da prosle godine su odgodili placanje najma, medjutim nisam nasao dokaze da se to odvilo na taj nacin kako govoris da se ove godine to prelilo na vecu amortizaciju, vidi sliku dole koja govori kako se kretala kvartalna amortizacija koja cak govori da je ove godine amortizacija nesto manja nego ocekivane prosjecne, a i vidljivo je prosle godine da kvartalna amortizacija nije pala iako najam nije placen, zakljucio sam da je placanje najma proknjizeno isto kao i sta se svaki racun knjizi po dospjecu, a placanje se posli vuce preko bilance pa ne utjece vise na RDIG, a za dio umanjene amortizacije na kraju godine zakljucak je bio da je to vezano za proknjizeno vrijednosno uskladistenje koje su onda napravili vezano vjerovatno za S/L, pa sam zakljucio da trenutno na amortizaciju utjece S/L.

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    Najam se prije knjizio u poslovne rashode, a obracun se vodio izvabilnacno. Neto dobit i neto novcani tok su u oba slucaja ista, dok je EBITDA zbog novog nacina obracuna veca.

    Vidi ovu zgodnu grafiku koja to lijepo pojasnjava.

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    Kad odrastem prestat cu uzimati terapiju i pretvarat cu se da sam Angelina...

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    • October 5, 2021 at 4:44 PM
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    India Likely to Experience Largest Ever Blackouts Soon; Global Market Possibly Could Ultimately See "Coal At Any Price" / "Freight At Any Price"

    • India’s power plant coal stockpiles now stand at only 7.7 million tons. This is 500,000 tons (-6%) less than was stockpiled at the end of last week, down year-on-year by 26.3 million tons (-77%), and marks the lowest amount stockpiled since October 2017. The stockpiles collectively are still able to meet only 4 days of demand, even though the normal requirement for this time of year is to meet 21 days of demand. We are unaware of any other time when India's stockpiles have been able to meet only 4 days of demand. Also of note is that among the nation's power plants, 14 power plants can meet only 3 days of demand, 20 can meet only 2 days of demand, 25 can meet only 1 day of demand, and 16 are not able to meet any demand. This issue will be discussed in greater detail in our next Weekly Dry Bulk Report.
    • Overall, we expect that India will experience its largest ever blackouts soon. It would not be surprising to us if this occurs this month. India's largest ever blackouts (and also the world's largest) occurred back on July 30-31, 2012. During this two-day period, approximately 600 million Indians were left without any power. If and when India does experience large blackouts this year, it will further turn the world's attention to the ongoing energy crisis (which of course already remains a significant issue in China and other nations as well). In the global dry bulk shipping market, freight rates are already at generational highs and thermal coal prices are at record levels. There is a chance that the world could see the situation intensify to the point where coal is seemingly being purchased at any price available, and the same too with paying to secure dry bulk vessels to ship the coal. An energy crisis in October is problematic. An energy crisis in winter months is even more problematic. Winter is fast approaching, and the world is likely to see dramatic events unfold. We will be continuing to monitor all new developments closely and will be continuing to analyze these issues in our weekly reports and special mid-week updates.
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    • October 5, 2021 at 5:26 PM
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    Brutalno ovo izgleda...

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    • October 5, 2021 at 5:53 PM
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    Rotterdam coal up 34% today…                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      

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    • October 5, 2021 at 5:58 PM
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    Brutalno ovo izgleda...


    Najbrutalnije od svega je da cape nemoze vise rasti a da na vuce gore sve ostale 🥂🍷🍺

    Cumur kad potegne a brzo ce jer voda je do grla🙆‍♀️🤑

    Idemo dalje....

    Mjesec se vidi kao na dlanu😁

    Onima koji malo bolje vidi nazire se vec i merkur😉

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    Brutalno ovo izgleda...


    Najbrutalnije od svega je da cape nemoze vise rasti a da na vuce gore sve ostale 🥂🍷🍺

    Cumur kad potegne a brzo ce jer voda je do grla🙆‍♀️🤑

    Idemo dalje....

    Mjesec se vidi kao na dlanu😁

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    Ćumur se trži poput zlatnih poluga.

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    • October 5, 2021 at 6:08 PM
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    China expected to up coal import in fourth quarter – promising sign for dry bulk

    With China short on coal for electricity production at its coal-fired power stations, the country's coal import is expected to rise in the fourth quarter and beginning of 2022. This is good news for dry bulk carriers, note Bimco and Star Bulk. https://shippingwatch.com/carriers/Bulk/article13339886.ece

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    • October 5, 2021 at 6:12 PM
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    Najbrutalnije od svega je da cape nemoze vise rasti a da na vuce gore sve ostale 🥂🍷🍺

    Cumur kad potegne a brzo ce jer voda je do grla🙆‍♀️🤑

    Idemo dalje....

    Mjesec se vidi kao na dlanu😁

    Ćumur se trži poput zlatnih poluga.

    "debili" rekao bi 5. element i ima potpuno pravo.

    Koje neodgovorno guranje glave u pijesak mjesecima na prazne zalihe ugljena.

    Sada ce cijene jos puno vise narasti nego bi inace da su cijelo ljeto punili zalihe. I sada dodatno jos za skuplji prijevoz.

    Svi su se kockali i svi ce izgubiti osim dionicara rudara i bulkera.

    struja i grijanje ce dosta poskupiti. Prije mjesec dana sam napisala da ce bulkeri biti najbolji hedge protiv toga.

    Neki i danas pune bunker sa dionicama bulkera.

    Tko ce biti zadnji? 😅

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    • October 5, 2021 at 6:20 PM
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    Ovako izgleda kretanje kineskih zaliha ugljena ove godine. Situacija je alarmantna.


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    Kad odrastem prestat cu uzimati terapiju i pretvarat cu se da sam Angelina...

  • jasko
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    • October 5, 2021 at 6:24 PM
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    Biggest increase seen in the C9 northern Europe/Mediterranean to China/Japan route, which settled at $113,700 per day at the close on the Baltic Exchange https://lloydslist.maritimeintelligence.informa.com/LL1138416/Cape…nnage-tightness

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    • October 5, 2021 at 6:35 PM
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    Dernekijada pocinje a trajat ce do kraja zime za koju su 70-80% meteo prognoze da ce biti jaka.

    Treba se suzdrzavati od prodaje do proljeca.

    Ovo sada je u pola cijene.

    Trejdanje opet opasno po zivot.

    Oni koji su izasli ce i ulaziti.

    Ovi veliki koji su im otkupili dionice nece im prodati.

    Meni ovaj papir sada vrijedi zlata, cekam FI,i cumur da poludi. 😅


    We may soon here C3 fixture done at $50pmt tonight or tomorrow for 1/10 Nov laycan. Market going up through the roof to the moon!!

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    • October 5, 2021 at 6:38 PM
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    New coal route

    Global Energy Crisis Draws New Lines in Coal’s Trade Map
    The global energy crisis is reshaping trade routes for coal, illustrating the heightened demand for a fuel many considered on the downswing.
    www.bloomberg.com

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    • October 5, 2021 at 6:43 PM
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    Brutalno, iako sam vjerovao u brodare i čekao preokret,, nisam vjerovao da se vozarine baš mogu ponoviti i to tako brzo :huh: , a gdje će zarada brodara 8| i cijena njihovih dionica više ni ne računam 8)

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    • October 5, 2021 at 6:48 PM
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    Brutalno, iako sam vjerovao u brodare i čekao preokret,, nisam vjerovao da se vozarine baš mogu ponoviti i to tako brzo :huh: , a gdje će zarada brodara 8| i cijena njihovih dionica više ni ne računam 8)

    Nemas kaj racunati.

    Sad se igra konceptualno.

    Do zadnjeg cumura.

    Bolje je jeftino kupovati nego jeftino prodavati.

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    • October 5, 2021 at 6:52 PM
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    Živimo black swan iz prve ruke.

    Koja dionica nas moze pospremit u mirovinu nagodinu - ATPL.

    Jdpl za đeparac.

    Kaj se mene tice ostale papire zse moze i ukinut, samo zamaraju.

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