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  • migra
  • January 16, 2021 at 10:18 AM
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    • June 4, 2021 at 11:31 PM
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    zanimljiva vremena svjedočimo i participiramo.

    na FFA dan je krenuo u jakom minusu a završio u jakom plusu.

    vrlo volatilno ali ovo je rani stadij,uvod,predigra.... pa je i očekivano

    ono što je super da se radnja zadnjih 6 mjeseci odvija u gornjem rasponu scenarija.

    super za mornare na palubi a ne baš super za kopnene mornare.

    pri slobodi izbora koja je i dalje na snazi nitko se nema pravo žaliti,ljutiti..... :/

    :saint:

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    ne pozivam na kupnju-prodaju,očekujem da me netko svojim razmišljanjima i argumentima potakne na novo razmišljanje.isprike na dužini posta,tipfelerima...

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    • June 5, 2021 at 10:27 AM
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    China set for record-busting soybean demand as African swine fever wanes

    According to S&P Global Platts Analytics, China is forecast to import all-time high levels of 100 and 104 million mt in 2020-21 and 2021-22 marketing years (October -September). https://www.hellenicshippingnews.com/china-set-for-…ne-fever-wanes/

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    • June 5, 2021 at 10:51 AM
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    Monthly Report - May https://www.dnfanalysis.com/CMS/imageFolder/1622823754.pdf

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    • June 5, 2021 at 11:07 AM
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    An active end to the week for Supramax paper with good

    volume trading across the curve and rates pushing chasing a

    thin bid side. July made up most of the volume again, trading

    to $27450 in size. Q3 and Q4 pushed to $26600 and $22500

    respectively.

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    • June 5, 2021 at 11:53 AM
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    Monthly Report - May https://www.dnfanalysis.com/CMS/imageFolder/1622823754.pdf

    Zanimljivo

    Analysts are however treading with caution as uncertainty whether the sustained rally will lead to a crash, or the prices will stabilize assupply chains catch up. "People need to get over price and become more concerned about availability," said a US-based coalconsultant. "This market is so inelastic. The demand for energy in Q3 has spiked and they can't find the coal."

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    • June 5, 2021 at 11:59 AM
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    Zanimljiv clanak o Simandou.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/stockhea…-exports/%3famp

    Eames was involved on project development in Africa with Xstrata and Glencore and warned the history of African iron ore developments showed it would be no easy task to bring it online in the timeframe being put forward.

    “Even if you could get through all of this mess of corruption, government relations, history and even if it proved to be economic, and the last design Rio did proved not to be economic, you’ve still got 8-10 years even if it’s physically possible for all of that ore to reach market,” he told Stockhead.

    “And even after all of that you’ve got in the order of 60-70 million tonnes, which is not going to move the dial.

    “In my opinion, the people who talk about Simandou have absolutely no idea of the practical challenges or the real issues involved in developing that resource.”

    Kad odrastem prestat cu uzimati terapiju i pretvarat cu se da sam Angelina...

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    • June 5, 2021 at 12:14 PM
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    https://www.hellenicshippingnews.com/dry-bulk-marke…nd-sustainable/

    Dry Bulk Market Exceeds Expectations, But is The Current Trend Sustainable?

    As has already been stated in previous market views, the duration potential of this rally is still unclear. Thinking about how dependent this momentum is to the anticipation of a strong recovery from the Covid-19 pandemic and you can quickly see the exposure present from things not going as expected. Moreover, we should not forget that a steep rally in commodity price levels is not without its cost”.

    “The inflationary pressure can derail things, especially if we see the costs being transferred to end consumers, with a direct effect in consumer confidence and spending levels. In other words, multiple variables must move attuned, with less asymmetries in-between, in order for an upward momentum to be sustained for a longer time period. Does this mean that a small “pause” in commodity market is needed at this point?

    Kad odrastem prestat cu uzimati terapiju i pretvarat cu se da sam Angelina...

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    • June 5, 2021 at 1:27 PM
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    The dry bulk S&P market continued to firm for all ages and sizes despite Cape spot charter rates dipping somewhat this week. For example, the vintage supramax M/V "TERN" (50,209 DWT/Built 2003 at Mitsui in Japan DD due 8/2021, SS due 8/2023) reportedly has been committed at mid/high $9 mill. levels compared to the sale in September 2020 of the M/V "SKUA" (53,350 DWT/Built 2003 at Toyahashi in Japan 11/2020) which obtained $5.4 mill.

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    • June 5, 2021 at 2:16 PM
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    Zanimljiv clanak o Simandou.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/stockhead.com.au/resources/simandou-iron-ore-exports/%3famp

    Eames was involved on project development in Africa with Xstrata and Glencore and warned the history of African iron ore developments showed it would be no easy task to bring it online in the timeframe being put forward.

    “Even if you could get through all of this mess of corruption, government relations, history and even if it proved to be economic, and the last design Rio did proved not to be economic, you’ve still got 8-10 years even if it’s physically possible for all of that ore to reach market,” he told Stockhead.

    “And even after all of that you’ve got in the order of 60-70 million tonnes, which is not going to move the dial.

    “In my opinion, the people who talk about Simandou have absolutely no idea of the practical challenges or the real issues involved in developing that resource.”

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    https://www.hellenicshippingnews.com/dry-bulk-marke…nd-sustainable/

    Dry Bulk Market Exceeds Expectations, But is The Current Trend Sustainable?

    As has already been stated in previous market views, the duration potential of this rally is still unclear. Thinking about how dependent this momentum is to the anticipation of a strong recovery from the Covid-19 pandemic and you can quickly see the exposure present from things not going as expected. Moreover, we should not forget that a steep rally in commodity price levels is not without its cost”.

    “The inflationary pressure can derail things, especially if we see the costs being transferred to end consumers, with a direct effect in consumer confidence and spending levels. In other words, multiple variables must move attuned, with less asymmetries in-between, in order for an upward momentum to be sustained for a longer time period. Does this mean that a small “pause” in commodity market is needed at this point?

    Simandou i još nekoliko njih će uspjeti.

    zašto?

    više je razloga a treba li ići dalje od činjenice da ga se je primila država sa najvećim suficitom na svijetu?

    da taj suficit i dalje raste i da će se to nastaviti.

    kinezima je to i stvar ponosa nacije,znači cijena je sitnica(nije bitna),ekonomska isplativost i viši ciljevi su dvije potpuno različite stvari.

    kinezi ne moraju (mogu si to priuštiti) u svemu imati financijsku racunicu,tako to rade veliki moćni,mudri....

    ići će to bitno brže od očekivanja svih pesimista jer novac nije problem,znanje i iskustvo nije problem,motiv je izrazito jak.

    tko želi nek se kladi na njihov neuspjeh,nebi mu bio u koži.

    rezime nekad po investitorski.

    rast cijena coomoditiesa je bio izrazit u nerealno je očkeivati nastavak tog trenda unedogled.

    za nas je i ovo više nego dovoljno da potakne rast supplya commoditiesa.

    demanda ima i biti će ga još više.

    covida radi zaduženost se je digla na višlju razinu a to znači da treba podići ekonomiju kako bi se dug relativno smanjio.

    stimulusi neviđeni od 2. sv rata su tu da pomognu u ostvarenju tog cilja.

    demand će rasti,orderbook u podrumu,ide EEXI.....

    držim da je puno prepohlepno tražiti više od toga pri već činjenici da smo blizu točke "van kontrole".

    već smo je prešli ove godine 2x a približavamo se još jednoj,poslovično sezonski najmoćnijoj.

    napeto je,nek nam bude kako smo si izabrali.

    p.s.

    samo kina može i to samo odgoditi ali držim da bi im išao u paketu i račun koji bi i oni teško "progutali" pa je to

    na jako tankom i dugom štapu,ako netko voli baš takve izazove.,risk/rewarde....

    p.p.s.

    izgledno,vrlo izgledno,95%.....

    sve se to može pokazati i kao promašaj,nebi bilo prvi put....

    ako smo pehisti može nam i pasti metak na glavi slobodnim padom,može nam avion pasti na glavu,može se crijep otkinuti sa krova....

    može puknut guma na 200km/h,može otkazat autopilot na tuđem gliseru,može puknut sajla na žičari,može erupcija vulkana kada smo preblizu,može još na tisuće drugih stvari poći po zlu u životu ,ništa nije nikad sigurno osim da:

    a)svi se rađamo da bi umrli

    b)svi koji "štede" praktično ostvariju realno negativan prinos radi inflacije koja će pojačati pa će se još više gubitaka ostvarivati.

    c)dominantna večina koja prakticira kockanje,kladionicu,igre na sreću svih vrsta su na većem ili manjem gubitku.

    d)sigurno je i da smo i dalje među financ najnepisminijim narodima

    e)da večina ljudi nije zadovoljna svojim financ položajem i ne vidi gdje je problem

    f) ide EP u nogometu pa će biti još manje vremena za vl fin opismenjavanje

    nastavite niz.....

    ne pozivam na kupnju-prodaju,očekujem da me netko svojim razmišljanjima i argumentima potakne na novo razmišljanje.isprike na dužini posta,tipfelerima...

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    • June 5, 2021 at 2:23 PM
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    U istom tonu..........

    Bulk Rich Future 2013 82.197 DWT 82.197 Tsuneishi Zhoushan 2021-lip-02 USD 22,60 Fuyo Kaiun German interests

    Bulk Eclipse 2010 79.471 DWT 79.471 Jinhai Heavy Ind 2021-lip-02 USD 16,75 Golden Ocean Group Clients of Sterling Shipping

    You & Island 2011 38.309 DWT 38.309 Shimanami Shipyard 2021-lip-04 USD 15,00 Shikishima Kisen Clients of Taylor Maritime

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    • June 5, 2021 at 2:25 PM
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    Zanimljiv clanak o Simandou.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/stockhead.com.au/resources/simandou-iron-ore-exports/%3famp

    Eames was involved on project development in Africa with Xstrata and Glencore and warned the history of African iron ore developments showed it would be no easy task to bring it online in the timeframe being put forward.

    “Even if you could get through all of this mess of corruption, government relations, history and even if it proved to be economic, and the last design Rio did proved not to be economic, you’ve still got 8-10 years even if it’s physically possible for all of that ore to reach market,” he told Stockhead.

    “And even after all of that you’ve got in the order of 60-70 million tonnes, which is not going to move the dial.

    “In my opinion, the people who talk about Simandou have absolutely no idea of the practical challenges or the real issues involved in developing that resource.”

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    Quote from mitkko

    https://www.hellenicshippingnews.com/dry-bulk-marke…nd-sustainable/

    Dry Bulk Market Exceeds Expectations, But is The Current Trend Sustainable?

    As has already been stated in previous market views, the duration potential of this rally is still unclear. Thinking about how dependent this momentum is to the anticipation of a strong recovery from the Covid-19 pandemic and you can quickly see the exposure present from things not going as expected. Moreover, we should not forget that a steep rally in commodity price levels is not without its cost”.

    “The inflationary pressure can derail things, especially if we see the costs being transferred to end consumers, with a direct effect in consumer confidence and spending levels. In other words, multiple variables must move attuned, with less asymmetries in-between, in order for an upward momentum to be sustained for a longer time period. Does this mean that a small “pause” in commodity market is needed at this point?

    Simandou i još nekoliko njih će uspjeti.

    zašto?

    više je razloga a treba li ići dalje od činjenice da ga se je primila država sa najvećim suficitom na svijetu?

    da taj suficit i dalje raste i da će se to nastaviti.

    kinezima je to i stvar ponosa nacije,znači cijena je sitnica(nije bitna),ekonomska isplativost i viši ciljevi su dvije potpuno različite stvari.

    kinezi ne moraju (mogu si to priuštiti) u svemu imati financijsku racunicu,tako to rade veliki moćni,mudri....

    ići će to bitno brže od očekivanja svih pesimista jer novac nije problem,znanje i iskustvo nije problem,motiv je izrazito jak.

    tko želi nek se kladi na njihov neuspjeh,nebi mu bio u koži.

    rezime nekad po investitorski.

    rast cijena coomoditiesa je bio izrazit u nerealno je očkeivati nastavak tog trenda unedogled.

    za nas je i ovo više nego dovoljno da potakne rast supplya commoditiesa.

    demanda ima i biti će ga još više.

    covida radi zaduženost se je digla na višlju razinu a to znači da treba podići ekonomiju kako bi se dug relativno smanjio.

    stimulusi neviđeni od 2. sv rata su tu da pomognu u ostvarenju tog cilja.

    demand će rasti,orderbook u podrumu,ide EEXI.....

    držim da je puno prepohlepno tražiti više od toga pri već činjenici da smo blizu točke "van kontrole".

    već smo je prešli ove godine 2x a približavamo se još jednoj,poslovično sezonski najmoćnijoj.

    napeto je,nek nam bude kako smo si izabrali.

    p.s.

    samo kina može i to samo odgoditi ali držim da bi im išao u paketu i račun koji bi i oni teško "progutali" pa je to

    na jako tankom i dugom štapu,ako netko voli baš takve izazove.,risk/rewarde....

    p.p.s.

    izgledno,vrlo izgledno,95%.....

    sve se to može pokazati i kao promašaj,nebi bilo prvi put....

    ako smo pehisti može nam i pasti metak na glavi slobodnim padom,može nam avion pasti na glavu,može se crijep otkinuti sa krova....

    može puknut guma na 200km/h,može otkazat autopilot na tuđem gliseru,može puknut sajla na žičari,može erupcija vulkana kada smo preblizu,može još na tisuće drugih stvari poći po zlu u životu ,ništa nije nikad sigurno osim da:

    a)svi se rađamo da bi umrli

    b)svi koji "štede" praktično ostvariju realno negativan prinos radi inflacije koja će pojačati pa će se još više gubitaka ostvarivati.

    c)dominantna večina koja prakticira kockanje,kladionicu,igre na sreću svih vrsta su na većem ili manjem gubitku.

    d)sigurno je i da smo i dalje među financ najnepisminijim narodima

    e)da večina ljudi nije zadovoljna svojim financ položajem i ne vidi gdje je problem

    f) ide EP u nogometu pa će biti još manje vremena za vl fin opismenjavanje

    nastavite niz.....

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    Ne pise da Simandou nece uspjeti, vec da ce proci 5-10 godina dok se pokrene ozbiljnija proizvodnja. Ovo pisem u kontekstu tvrdnji da ce Afrika vec "sutra" izbaciti Australiju iz igre - nece, takve stvari se ne dogadjaju preko noci, koliko se god Kina inatila.

    Kad odrastem prestat cu uzimati terapiju i pretvarat cu se da sam Angelina...

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    • June 5, 2021 at 7:56 PM
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    Container ship scores ‘off the charts,’ ‘fantasy’ charter rate: $135,000/day https://www.freightwaves.com/news/container…rate-135000-day

    Baš zanimljivo, u prilogu tablica sa promjenama vrijednosti takvih brodova 15 godisnjak 5109 TEU 9 mjeseci od kolovoza 2020 do ukljucivo svibanj 2021.

    Porast je 300% sa 8 na 32 mil$.

    Još je zanimljivije da sa ovako ugovorenom vozarinom ajde max 90 dana po 135.000$ u teoriji projicirano na godinu imaš P/EBITDA debelo ispod 1. I dalje očito postoji znacajna mogućnost rasta asseta.

    Evo novih informacija za kontejneraše, nikad ne reci nikad. Znaći 42 mil$ za brod 2009 godina kinesko brodogradilište. Takav brod je prije 9 mjeseci bio cca 9,5 mil$. Cca +340%

    Container Blandine 2009 5.301 TEU 65.700 Zhejiang Ouhua SB 2021-lip-02 USD 42,00 Peter Dohle Clients of Maersk

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    Prije 10 mjeseci vozarine za Panamax TEU 4250 su bile cca 10.000 usd, a pogledajte danas 50.000 usd

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    • June 5, 2021 at 10:52 PM
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    Do jaja.

    Znaci 1000 kn za Bozic.

    Lajkam.

    Pusa.

    Bolje je jeftino kupovati nego jeftino prodavati.

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    Chinese grain demand offers ‘significant boost’ to panamax earnings

    The pressure for grains remains solid, with the Chinese appetite unlikely to vanish anytime soon. This is likely to provide healthy seaborne volumes for bulkers, especially panamaxes, boosting freight rates

    The strong container shipping sector will drive many agricultural consignments to the dry bulk segment because of equipment shortages and high freight rates, according to Ocean Analytics founder Ulf Bergman https://lloydslist.maritimeintelligence.informa.com/LL1137026/Chin…anamax-earnings

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    INDICATIVE PRICE Week 1 (31st Dec to 8th Jan 2021) ........Week 22 (28th May to 4th June 2021)


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    • June 6, 2021 at 11:58 AM
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    Quote from gigic23

    Evo novih informacija za kontejneraše, nikad ne reci nikad. Znaći 42 mil$ za brod 2009 godina kinesko brodogradilište. Takav brod je prije 9 mjeseci bio cca 9,5 mil$. Cca +340%

    Container Blandine 2009 5.301 TEU 65.700 Zhejiang Ouhua SB 2021-lip-02 USD 42,00 Peter Dohle Clients of Maersk

    zanimljiva podudarnost?

    na kontejnerima trenurtno koliko tisuća vozarine približno toliko mil$ zlatnokoka grdosija stara 10 g.?

    ako bi to ekstrapolirali na naše zlatnokoke grdosije ispada da su još značajno podcijenjene?

    pitanje za mil$?

    neznam za vas ali meni pomalo kopkajuće zvući dilema koliko bi tek mogle biti podcijenjene

    ako uskoro po očekivanjima krenu te vozarine na nove,višlje razine. :/

    hoće li po marfiju opet biti "a to tako smije?'" i po pitanju cijena SH na dry bulku?

    :saint:

    p.s.

    naravno sve je to još friško na dry bulku,treba vremena da se to isprocesuira ,da sjedne,da se donese odluka,da se realizira....

    DA šteta da se na marketu ne može retoaktivno kupovati šta ne?

    već se mora kupovati budućnost koja je nekad teže a nekad izrazito lako predvidljiva pa uključuje "neopisivu lakoću dioničarstva"

    život može biti i ovakav i onakav,sve ovisi o načinu konzumacije slobode izbora. ;)

    :saint:

    ne pozivam na kupnju-prodaju,očekujem da me netko svojim razmišljanjima i argumentima potakne na novo razmišljanje.isprike na dužini posta,tipfelerima...

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    • June 6, 2021 at 12:31 PM
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    Quote from migra
    Quote from gigic23

    Evo novih informacija za kontejneraše, nikad ne reci nikad. Znaći 42 mil$ za brod 2009 godina kinesko brodogradilište. Takav brod je prije 9 mjeseci bio cca 9,5 mil$. Cca +340%

    Container Blandine 2009 5.301 TEU 65.700 Zhejiang Ouhua SB 2021-lip-02 USD 42,00 Peter Dohle Clients of Maersk

    zanimljiva podudarnost?

    na kontejnerima trenurtno koliko tisuća vozarine približno toliko mil$ zlatnokoka grdosija stara 10 g.?

    ako bi to ekstrapolirali na naše zlatnokoke grdosije ispada da su još značajno podcijenjene?

    pitanje za mil$?

    neznam za vas ali meni pomalo kopkajuće zvući dilema koliko bi tek mogle biti podcijenjene

    ako uskoro po očekivanjima krenu te vozarine na nove,višlje razine. :/

    hoće li po marfiju opet biti "a to tako smije?'" i po pitanju cijena SH na dry bulku?

    :saint:

    p.s.

    naravno sve je to još friško na dry bulku,treba vremena da se to isprocesuira ,da sjedne,da se donese odluka,da se realizira....

    DA šteta da se na marketu ne može retoaktivno kupovati šta ne?

    već se mora kupovati budućnost koja je nekad teže a nekad izrazito lako predvidljiva pa uključuje "neopisivu lakoću dioničarstva"

    život može biti i ovakav i onakav,sve ovisi o načinu konzumacije slobode izbora. ;)

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    Quote from mitkko

    Ne pise da Simandou nece uspjeti, vec da ce proci 5-10 godina dok se pokrene ozbiljnija proizvodnja. Ovo pisem u kontekstu tvrdnji da ce Afrika vec "sutra" izbaciti Australiju iz igre - nece, takve stvari se ne dogadjaju preko noci, koliko se god Kina inatila.

    pa upravo sa tih "5-10 godina" se ne slažem,zato sam i replicirao.

    oni koji su pesimistični,oni koji su odustali od tog projekta nisu imali 2 od 3 neophodna uvjeta za uspjeh.

    a)neograničene fin resurse

    b)izrazito jak motiv koji nadilazi ekonomsku računicu,koja nije sporna pri 200$/t ?


    Quote from migra

    ...

    ići će to bitno brže od očekivanja svih pesimista jer novac nije problem,znanje i iskustvo nije problem,motiv je izrazito jak.

    tko želi nek se kladi na njihov neuspjeh,nebi mu bio u koži.

    rezime nekad po investitorski.....


    i zato je moja oklada ide 99% na uspjeh kineza u tom projektu koji može pozlatiti zlatnokoke grdosije dry bulka

    i bitno ranije od "5-10" godina".

    "masivni napredak" je reativan pojam pa....

    pratit ćemo jer ovo je potencijalno dodatni zlatni rudnik dry bulka koji može napraviti raspašoj u rastu vozarina u sljedećih nekoliko godina.

    700 km želj. pruge je za kineze piece of cake,uvjeren sam u to.u tome su svjetski prvaci bez premca pa.....


    President of Kingho Energy Group, Colin Ding has said he is very happy to come to Sierra Leone and will do more to invest in the country. Mr Ding made this statement in the early hours of Tuesday 18th May 2021 on his arrival at the Freetown International Airport. He is leading a group of investors from the People’s Republic of China to review the progress of the current Kingho projects across the country.

    In addition, the President of Kingho Energy Group said that he is also very happy to see the massive progress being achieved by Kingho projects in Sierra Leone

    The mines, railway and port all started official operation in early March 2021.

    https://www.thesierraleonetelegraph.com/head-of-chinas…n-sierra-leone/

    ne pozivam na kupnju-prodaju,očekujem da me netko svojim razmišljanjima i argumentima potakne na novo razmišljanje.isprike na dužini posta,tipfelerima...

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